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Max Tulyev
maxtul at netassist.ua
Fri Feb 12 15:43:08 CET 2016
You can't think about aggregation anymore. Fortunately, RAM is not an expensive finite resource, unlike IPv4 is. On 11.02.16 17:40, Pavel Odintsov wrote: > Why they are bad for economy? As you could see in my > research http://www.stableit.ru/2016/01/full-bgp-table-distribution-by-prefix.html > current IPv4 routing space already VERY fragmented and /24 subnet is > most popular now. > > So actually we could just forget about network aggregation :( > > On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 6:38 PM, Dominik Nowacki > <dominik at clouvider.co.uk <mailto:dominik at clouvider.co.uk>> wrote: > > Hi Pavel, > Then no one transfers, many LIRs have large unused pools and you > can't even buy them on the market. Even worse situation - tax is bad > for economy. > > With Kind Regards, > Dominik Nowacki > > Clouvider Limited is a limited company registered in England and > Wales. Registered number: _08750969_ <tel:08750969>. Registered > office: _88 Wood Street, London, United Kingdom, EC2V 7RS_. 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If verification is > required please request a hard-copy version. > > On 11 Feb 2016, at 15:37, Pavel Odintsov <odintsov at fastvps.ru > <mailto:odintsov at fastvps.ru>> wrote: > >> So I have yet another advice. >> >> I like idea to pay some taxes for each transferred subnet. If you >> move /16 you should "pay" /20 to public RIPE's pool. What about this? >> >> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 6:25 PM, Raul Pizarro Vazquez >> <intervenciones at electronicamartinez.com >> <mailto:intervenciones at electronicamartinez.com>> wrote: >> >> Why not just to set a yearly fee for all IPs? for example >> 0,01$ / IP per Month or so. Making that ips will really unused >> will get back to ripe soon. Ripe could give them free again >> but all of us should pay a little monthly for have them. >> >> El 11/02/16 a las 16:05, Pavel Odintsov escribió: >>> I have few words about IPv6. I'm real fan of IPv6. >>> >>> But actually almost all companies who want last /22 subnet >>> just get IPv6 and do not use it really. From my point of >>> view, you should check real network usage by analyzing BGP >>> routing table. >>> >>> In other words each LIR should: >>> 1) Get new IPv6 subet from RIPE >>> 2) Announce it and offer IPv6 address for checks >>> 3) Get last /22 IPv4 subnet >>> >>> Almost all "IPv6" subnets received for last months haven't >>> used really. That's bad. >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 6:01 PM, Jack <noc at kwaoo.net >>> <mailto:noc at kwaoo.net>> wrote: >>> >>> > RIPE supports reselling of big subnets by providing their Transfer listing service. >>> > Those networks shouldn’t be sold. They should be returned to the NCC pool and be assigned to providers who need them. >>> Providers who need them, means, in my opinion, providers >>> who have a wide >>> IPv6 deployment. >>> Tough job to appreciate the IPv6 deployement status of a >>> LIR, but I >>> really think this must be a requirement for getting more >>> IPv4 easily. >>> >>> You want IPv4 ? Deploy IPv6, then we will talk. You do >>> not care about >>> IPv6 ? No v4 for you. >>> >>> >>> > >>> > >>> > Von: members-discuss [mailto:<mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net>members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net >>> <mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net>] Im Auftrag von >>> Pavel Odintsov >>> > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 11. Februar 2016 15:42 >>> > An: Radu Brebu <dial at dialcube.ro >>> <mailto:dial at dialcube.ro><mailto:<mailto:dial at dialcube.ro>dial at dialcube.ro >>> <mailto:dial at dialcube.ro>>> >>> > Cc: members-discuss at ripe.net >>> <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net><mailto:<mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net>members-discuss at ripe.net >>> <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net>> >>> > Betreff: Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple LIR Accounts - Please Discuss >>> > >>> > Hello, folks! >>> > >>> > That's good conversation. I'm representing VPS service company. We bought multiple /20 and /21 subnets at last 2 years. >>> > >>> > But actually there really big injustice exists here! >>> > >>> > I've followed all RIPE guidance and request resources only when they really required for next 3-6 months. I have 95% subnet utilization in each network! All my IP addresses really used. >>> > >>> > But I known so much LIR's who just ignore RIPE rules and requested bunch of /18, /16 networks many years ago.... just because they can. Right now almost all this networks are on IPv4 market. >>> > >>> > And I should pay my money to persons which violated RIPE rules for a long time. >>> > >>> > Than't really weird, isn't it? >>> > >>> > On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:34 PM, Radu Brebu >>> <dial at dialcube.ro >>> <mailto:dial at dialcube.ro><mailto:<mailto:dial at dialcube.ro>dial at dialcube.ro >>> <mailto:dial at dialcube.ro>>> wrote: >>> > Hi all, >>> > >>> > This is a socialist way of thinking, you are free >>> (ipotetic speaking) to open another lir and satisfy your >>> VPS needs no? some companies prefer to plan their >>> business long term. In my opinion it's not ok to >>> prioritize resources keeping in mind only the need. We >>> are leaving and doing business in a capitalist >>> environment, buying resources it is what is all about. >>> > >>> > >>> > On 02/11/16 16:19, José Manuel Giner wrote: >>> > I agree with it. We need IPs to continue providing VPS >>> servers, and other LIRs with unused prefixes, no sense... >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On 11/02/2016 15:09, Aleksey Bulgakov wrote: >>> > Hi, all. >>> > >>> > I think, it is better to return unused allocations, >>> received before >>> > 2012, to the NCC pool. >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Kind regards, >>> > Aleksey Bulgakov >>> > FastTelecom, CEO >>> > 7 926 6908729 >>> > >>> > 14:02, 11 февраля 2016 г., Nigel Titley : >>> > >>> > Dear colleagues, >>> > >>> > The RIPE NCC Executive Board would like to ask the >>> membership to >>> > discuss >>> > the issue of RIPE NCC members opening additional >>> LIR accounts. >>> > >>> > There were comments at the RIPE NCC General Meeting >>> (GM) in November >>> > 2015 that members having the ability to open >>> additional LIR accounts, >>> > each of which can request a /22 of IPv4 address >>> space, may run against >>> > the spirit of the last /8 policy. In light of this, >>> the Board >>> > decided to >>> > temporarily suspend the ability of RIPE NCC members >>> to open additional >>> > LIR accounts. >>> > >>> > The RIPE NCC began to allocate IPv4 address space >>> from the last /8 >>> > policy on 14 September 2012. Since that time the >>> RIPE NCC has >>> > allocated >>> > more than 8,600 /22s, yet there remains 0.94 of a >>> /8 still in the >>> > pool. >>> > >>> > ACTION REQUIRED: >>> > The Board asks the membership to provide their >>> opinion on and discuss >>> > the following points: >>> > >>> > 1. Is the activity of members opening additional >>> LIR accounts a >>> > problem >>> > that must be prevented? >>> > >>> > 2. If this activity is a problem that must be >>> prevented, what action >>> > should the RIPE NCC take to attempt its prevention? >>> > >>> > Statistics pertinent to this discussion are >>> available in this >>> > article on >>> > RIPE Labs: >>> > >>> https://labs.ripe.net/Members/laura_cobley/ripe-ncc-members-and-multiple-lir-accounts?pk_campaign=members&pk_kwd=list-ncc >>> > >>> > The Board asks that members discuss this issue on >>> the Members Discuss >>> > mailing list . >>> > >>> > The Board will monitor the discussion and will >>> review it at the next >>> > Executive Board Meeting on 31 March 2016. Depending >>> on the outcome of >>> > that meeting, the Board may propose a resolution >>> for members to >>> > vote on >>> > at the RIPE NCC General Meeting in May 2016. >>> > >>> > Best regards, >>> > >>> > Nigel Titley >>> > RIPE NCC Executive Board >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ---- >>> > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC >>> members-discuss >>> > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account >>> and go to the general page: >>> > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ >>> > >>> > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed >>> Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ---- >>> > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC >>> members-discuss >>> > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account >>> and go to the general page: >>> > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ >>> > >>> > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed >>> Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Sincerely yours, Pavel Odintsov >>> > CTO, FastVPS Eesti OU >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ---- >>> > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC >>> members-discuss >>> > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account >>> and go to the general page: >>> > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ >>> > >>> > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed >>> Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. >>> > >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Jack >>> Kwaoo noc >>> >>> More details about KWAOO can be found at: >>> https://as24904.kwaoo.net/ >>> >>> ---- >>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC >>> members-discuss >>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account >>> and go to the general page: >>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ >>> >>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing >>> Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sincerely yours, Pavel Odintsov >>> CTO, FastVPS Eesti OU >>> >>> >>> ---- >>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: >>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ >>> >>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". 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From here, you can add or remove addresses. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Sincerely yours, Pavel Odintsov >> CTO, FastVPS Eesti OU >> ---- >> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to >> the general page: >> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ >> >> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". >> From here, you can add or remove addresses. > > > > > -- > Sincerely yours, Pavel Odintsov > CTO, FastVPS Eesti OU > > > ---- > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. >
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