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Pavel Odintsov
odintsov at fastvps.ru
Thu Feb 11 16:40:47 CET 2016
Why they are bad for economy? As you could see in my research http://www.stableit.ru/2016/01/full-bgp-table-distribution-by-prefix.html current IPv4 routing space already VERY fragmented and /24 subnet is most popular now. So actually we could just forget about network aggregation :( On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 6:38 PM, Dominik Nowacki <dominik at clouvider.co.uk> wrote: > Hi Pavel, > Then no one transfers, many LIRs have large unused pools and you can't > even buy them on the market. Even worse situation - tax is bad for economy. > > With Kind Regards, > Dominik Nowacki > > Clouvider Limited is a limited company registered in England and Wales. > Registered number: *08750969* <08750969>. Registered office: *88 Wood > Street, London, United Kingdom, EC2V 7RS*. Please note that Clouvider > Limited may monitor email traffic data and also the content of email for > the purposes of security and staff training. 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If verification is required please request a hard-copy > version. > > On 11 Feb 2016, at 15:37, Pavel Odintsov <odintsov at fastvps.ru> wrote: > > So I have yet another advice. > > I like idea to pay some taxes for each transferred subnet. If you move > /16 you should "pay" /20 to public RIPE's pool. What about this? > > On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 6:25 PM, Raul Pizarro Vazquez < > intervenciones at electronicamartinez.com> wrote: > >> Why not just to set a yearly fee for all IPs? for example 0,01$ / IP per >> Month or so. Making that ips will really unused will get back to ripe soon. >> Ripe could give them free again but all of us should pay a little monthly >> for have them. >> >> El 11/02/16 a las 16:05, Pavel Odintsov escribió: >> >> I have few words about IPv6. I'm real fan of IPv6. >> >> But actually almost all companies who want last /22 subnet just get IPv6 >> and do not use it really. From my point of view, you should check real >> network usage by analyzing BGP routing table. >> >> In other words each LIR should: >> 1) Get new IPv6 subet from RIPE >> 2) Announce it and offer IPv6 address for checks >> 3) Get last /22 IPv4 subnet >> >> Almost all "IPv6" subnets received for last months haven't used really. >> That's bad. >> >> >> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 6:01 PM, Jack <noc at kwaoo.net> wrote: >> >>> > RIPE supports reselling of big subnets by providing their Transfer >>> listing service. >>> > Those networks shouldn’t be sold. They should be returned to the NCC >>> pool and be assigned to providers who need them. >>> Providers who need them, means, in my opinion, providers who have a wide >>> IPv6 deployment. >>> Tough job to appreciate the IPv6 deployement status of a LIR, but I >>> really think this must be a requirement for getting more IPv4 easily. >>> >>> You want IPv4 ? Deploy IPv6, then we will talk. You do not care about >>> IPv6 ? No v4 for you. >>> >>> >>> > >>> > >>> > Von: members-discuss [mailto: <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> >>> members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net] Im Auftrag von Pavel Odintsov >>> > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 11. Februar 2016 15:42 >>> > An: Radu Brebu <dial at dialcube.ro<mailto: <dial at dialcube.ro> >>> dial at dialcube.ro>> >>> > Cc: members-discuss at ripe.net<mailto: <members-discuss at ripe.net> >>> members-discuss at ripe.net> >>> > Betreff: Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members >>> and Multiple LIR Accounts - Please Discuss >>> > >>> > Hello, folks! >>> > >>> > That's good conversation. I'm representing VPS service company. We >>> bought multiple /20 and /21 subnets at last 2 years. >>> > >>> > But actually there really big injustice exists here! >>> > >>> > I've followed all RIPE guidance and request resources only when they >>> really required for next 3-6 months. I have 95% subnet utilization in each >>> network! All my IP addresses really used. >>> > >>> > But I known so much LIR's who just ignore RIPE rules and requested >>> bunch of /18, /16 networks many years ago.... just because they can. Right >>> now almost all this networks are on IPv4 market. >>> > >>> > And I should pay my money to persons which violated RIPE rules for a >>> long time. >>> > >>> > Than't really weird, isn't it? >>> > >>> > On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:34 PM, Radu Brebu <dial at dialcube.ro<mailto: >>> <dial at dialcube.ro>dial at dialcube.ro>> wrote: >>> > Hi all, >>> > >>> > This is a socialist way of thinking, you are free (ipotetic speaking) >>> to open another lir and satisfy your VPS needs no? some companies prefer to >>> plan their business long term. In my opinion it's not ok to prioritize >>> resources keeping in mind only the need. We are leaving and doing business >>> in a capitalist environment, buying resources it is what is all about. >>> > >>> > >>> > On 02/11/16 16:19, José Manuel Giner wrote: >>> > I agree with it. We need IPs to continue providing VPS servers, and >>> other LIRs with unused prefixes, no sense... >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On 11/02/2016 15:09, Aleksey Bulgakov wrote: >>> > Hi, all. >>> > >>> > I think, it is better to return unused allocations, received before >>> > 2012, to the NCC pool. >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Kind regards, >>> > Aleksey Bulgakov >>> > FastTelecom, CEO >>> > 7 926 6908729 >>> > >>> > 14:02, 11 февраля 2016 г., Nigel Titley : >>> > >>> > Dear colleagues, >>> > >>> > The RIPE NCC Executive Board would like to ask the membership to >>> > discuss >>> > the issue of RIPE NCC members opening additional LIR accounts. >>> > >>> > There were comments at the RIPE NCC General Meeting (GM) in >>> November >>> > 2015 that members having the ability to open additional LIR >>> accounts, >>> > each of which can request a /22 of IPv4 address space, may run >>> against >>> > the spirit of the last /8 policy. In light of this, the Board >>> > decided to >>> > temporarily suspend the ability of RIPE NCC members to open >>> additional >>> > LIR accounts. >>> > >>> > The RIPE NCC began to allocate IPv4 address space from the last /8 >>> > policy on 14 September 2012. Since that time the RIPE NCC has >>> > allocated >>> > more than 8,600 /22s, yet there remains 0.94 of a /8 still in the >>> > pool. >>> > >>> > ACTION REQUIRED: >>> > The Board asks the membership to provide their opinion on and >>> discuss >>> > the following points: >>> > >>> > 1. Is the activity of members opening additional LIR accounts a >>> > problem >>> > that must be prevented? >>> > >>> > 2. If this activity is a problem that must be prevented, what >>> action >>> > should the RIPE NCC take to attempt its prevention? >>> > >>> > Statistics pertinent to this discussion are available in this >>> > article on >>> > RIPE Labs: >>> > >>> https://labs.ripe.net/Members/laura_cobley/ripe-ncc-members-and-multiple-lir-accounts?pk_campaign=members&pk_kwd=list-ncc >>> > >>> > The Board asks that members discuss this issue on the Members >>> Discuss >>> > mailing list . >>> > >>> > The Board will monitor the discussion and will review it at the >>> next >>> > Executive Board Meeting on 31 March 2016. Depending on the outcome >>> of >>> > that meeting, the Board may propose a resolution for members to >>> > vote on >>> > at the RIPE NCC General Meeting in May 2016. >>> > >>> > Best regards, >>> > >>> > Nigel Titley >>> > RIPE NCC Executive Board >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ---- >>> > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >>> > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the >>> general page: >>> > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ >>> > >>> > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From >>> here, you can add or remove addresses. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ---- >>> > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >>> > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the >>> general page: >>> > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ >>> > >>> > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From >>> here, you can add or remove addresses. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Sincerely yours, Pavel Odintsov >>> > CTO, FastVPS Eesti OU >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ---- >>> > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >>> > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the >>> general page: >>> > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ >>> > >>> > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From >>> here, you can add or remove addresses. >>> > >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Jack >>> Kwaoo noc >>> >>> More details about KWAOO can be found at: >>> https://as24904.kwaoo.net/ >>> >>> ---- >>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the >>> general page: >>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ >>> >>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From >>> here, you can add or remove addresses. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Sincerely yours, Pavel Odintsov >> CTO, FastVPS Eesti OU >> >> >> ---- >> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page:https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ >> >> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". 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From >> here, you can add or remove addresses. >> > > > > -- > Sincerely yours, Pavel Odintsov > CTO, FastVPS Eesti OU > > ---- > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the > general page: > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From > here, you can add or remove addresses. > > -- Sincerely yours, Pavel Odintsov CTO, FastVPS Eesti OU -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://lists.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/attachments/20160211/8fe00266/attachment.html>
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