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Pavel Odintsov
odintsov at fastvps.ru
Thu Feb 11 16:36:35 CET 2016
So I have yet another advice. I like idea to pay some taxes for each transferred subnet. If you move /16 you should "pay" /20 to public RIPE's pool. What about this? On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 6:25 PM, Raul Pizarro Vazquez < intervenciones at electronicamartinez.com> wrote: > Why not just to set a yearly fee for all IPs? for example 0,01$ / IP per > Month or so. Making that ips will really unused will get back to ripe soon. > Ripe could give them free again but all of us should pay a little monthly > for have them. > > El 11/02/16 a las 16:05, Pavel Odintsov escribió: > > I have few words about IPv6. I'm real fan of IPv6. > > But actually almost all companies who want last /22 subnet just get IPv6 > and do not use it really. From my point of view, you should check real > network usage by analyzing BGP routing table. > > In other words each LIR should: > 1) Get new IPv6 subet from RIPE > 2) Announce it and offer IPv6 address for checks > 3) Get last /22 IPv4 subnet > > Almost all "IPv6" subnets received for last months haven't used really. > That's bad. > > > On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 6:01 PM, Jack <noc at kwaoo.net> wrote: > >> > RIPE supports reselling of big subnets by providing their Transfer >> listing service. >> > Those networks shouldn’t be sold. They should be returned to the NCC >> pool and be assigned to providers who need them. >> Providers who need them, means, in my opinion, providers who have a wide >> IPv6 deployment. >> Tough job to appreciate the IPv6 deployement status of a LIR, but I >> really think this must be a requirement for getting more IPv4 easily. >> >> You want IPv4 ? Deploy IPv6, then we will talk. You do not care about >> IPv6 ? No v4 for you. >> >> >> > >> > >> > Von: members-discuss [mailto: <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> >> members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net] Im Auftrag von Pavel Odintsov >> > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 11. Februar 2016 15:42 >> > An: Radu Brebu <dial at dialcube.ro<mailto: <dial at dialcube.ro> >> dial at dialcube.ro>> >> > Cc: members-discuss at ripe.net<mailto: <members-discuss at ripe.net> >> members-discuss at ripe.net> >> > Betreff: Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members >> and Multiple LIR Accounts - Please Discuss >> > >> > Hello, folks! >> > >> > That's good conversation. I'm representing VPS service company. We >> bought multiple /20 and /21 subnets at last 2 years. >> > >> > But actually there really big injustice exists here! >> > >> > I've followed all RIPE guidance and request resources only when they >> really required for next 3-6 months. I have 95% subnet utilization in each >> network! All my IP addresses really used. >> > >> > But I known so much LIR's who just ignore RIPE rules and requested >> bunch of /18, /16 networks many years ago.... just because they can. Right >> now almost all this networks are on IPv4 market. >> > >> > And I should pay my money to persons which violated RIPE rules for a >> long time. >> > >> > Than't really weird, isn't it? >> > >> > On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:34 PM, Radu Brebu <dial at dialcube.ro<mailto: >> <dial at dialcube.ro>dial at dialcube.ro>> wrote: >> > Hi all, >> > >> > This is a socialist way of thinking, you are free (ipotetic speaking) >> to open another lir and satisfy your VPS needs no? some companies prefer to >> plan their business long term. In my opinion it's not ok to prioritize >> resources keeping in mind only the need. We are leaving and doing business >> in a capitalist environment, buying resources it is what is all about. >> > >> > >> > On 02/11/16 16:19, José Manuel Giner wrote: >> > I agree with it. We need IPs to continue providing VPS servers, and >> other LIRs with unused prefixes, no sense... >> > >> > >> > >> > On 11/02/2016 15:09, Aleksey Bulgakov wrote: >> > Hi, all. >> > >> > I think, it is better to return unused allocations, received before >> > 2012, to the NCC pool. >> > >> > -- >> > Kind regards, >> > Aleksey Bulgakov >> > FastTelecom, CEO >> > 7 926 6908729 >> > >> > 14:02, 11 февраля 2016 г., Nigel Titley : >> > >> > Dear colleagues, >> > >> > The RIPE NCC Executive Board would like to ask the membership to >> > discuss >> > the issue of RIPE NCC members opening additional LIR accounts. >> > >> > There were comments at the RIPE NCC General Meeting (GM) in November >> > 2015 that members having the ability to open additional LIR >> accounts, >> > each of which can request a /22 of IPv4 address space, may run >> against >> > the spirit of the last /8 policy. In light of this, the Board >> > decided to >> > temporarily suspend the ability of RIPE NCC members to open >> additional >> > LIR accounts. >> > >> > The RIPE NCC began to allocate IPv4 address space from the last /8 >> > policy on 14 September 2012. Since that time the RIPE NCC has >> > allocated >> > more than 8,600 /22s, yet there remains 0.94 of a /8 still in the >> > pool. >> > >> > ACTION REQUIRED: >> > The Board asks the membership to provide their opinion on and >> discuss >> > the following points: >> > >> > 1. Is the activity of members opening additional LIR accounts a >> > problem >> > that must be prevented? >> > >> > 2. If this activity is a problem that must be prevented, what action >> > should the RIPE NCC take to attempt its prevention? >> > >> > Statistics pertinent to this discussion are available in this >> > article on >> > RIPE Labs: >> > >> https://labs.ripe.net/Members/laura_cobley/ripe-ncc-members-and-multiple-lir-accounts?pk_campaign=members&pk_kwd=list-ncc >> > >> > The Board asks that members discuss this issue on the Members >> Discuss >> > mailing list . >> > >> > The Board will monitor the discussion and will review it at the next >> > Executive Board Meeting on 31 March 2016. Depending on the outcome >> of >> > that meeting, the Board may propose a resolution for members to >> > vote on >> > at the RIPE NCC General Meeting in May 2016. >> > >> > Best regards, >> > >> > Nigel Titley >> > RIPE NCC Executive Board >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ---- >> > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >> > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the >> general page: >> > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ >> > >> > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From >> here, you can add or remove addresses. >> > >> > >> > >> > ---- >> > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >> > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the >> general page: >> > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ >> > >> > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From >> here, you can add or remove addresses. >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Sincerely yours, Pavel Odintsov >> > CTO, FastVPS Eesti OU >> > >> > >> > >> > ---- >> > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >> > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the >> general page: >> > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ >> > >> > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From >> here, you can add or remove addresses. >> > >> >> >> -- >> Jack >> Kwaoo noc >> >> More details about KWAOO can be found at: >> https://as24904.kwaoo.net/ >> >> ---- >> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the >> general page: >> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ >> >> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From >> here, you can add or remove addresses. >> > > > > -- > Sincerely yours, Pavel Odintsov > CTO, FastVPS Eesti OU > > > ---- > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page:https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. > > > -- > ------------------------------ > [image: Electrónica Martínez] > > *Nombre:* Raul Pizarro Vazquez > *Cargo:* Responsable Técnico > *Departamento:* Centro de Observacion de Red > *Email:* intervenciones at electronicamartinez.com > *Oficina:* 968 165 000 > *Averías:* 676 966 000 > *Página web:* <http://www.electronicamartinez.es> > www.electronicamartinez.es > ------------------------------ > [image: LinkedIn] <https://www.linkedin.com/company/10271615> [image: > Twitter] <https://twitter.com/EMartinez_SL> [image: Facebook] > <https://www.facebook.com/electronicamartinez0> [image: Google Plus] > <https://plus.google.com/b/114382878353884084293/114382878353884084293> > ------------------------------ > > ---- > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the > general page: > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". 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