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[members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple LIR Accounts - Please Discuss
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Raul Pizarro Vazquez
intervenciones at electronicamartinez.com
Thu Feb 11 16:25:44 CET 2016
Why not just to set a yearly fee for all IPs? for example 0,01$ / IP per Month or so. Making that ips will really unused will get back to ripe soon. Ripe could give them free again but all of us should pay a little monthly for have them. El 11/02/16 a las 16:05, Pavel Odintsov escribió: > I have few words about IPv6. I'm real fan of IPv6. > > But actually almost all companies who want last /22 subnet just get > IPv6 and do not use it really. From my point of view, you should check > real network usage by analyzing BGP routing table. > > In other words each LIR should: > 1) Get new IPv6 subet from RIPE > 2) Announce it and offer IPv6 address for checks > 3) Get last /22 IPv4 subnet > > Almost all "IPv6" subnets received for last months haven't used > really. That's bad. > > > On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 6:01 PM, Jack <noc at kwaoo.net > <mailto:noc at kwaoo.net>> wrote: > > > RIPE supports reselling of big subnets by providing their Transfer listing service. > > Those networks shouldn’t be sold. They should be returned to the > NCC pool and be assigned to providers who need them. > Providers who need them, means, in my opinion, providers who have > a wide > IPv6 deployment. > Tough job to appreciate the IPv6 deployement status of a LIR, but I > really think this must be a requirement for getting more IPv4 easily. > > You want IPv4 ? Deploy IPv6, then we will talk. You do not care about > IPv6 ? No v4 for you. > > > > > > > > Von: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net > <mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net>] Im Auftrag von Pavel > Odintsov > > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 11. Februar 2016 15:42 > > An: Radu Brebu <dial at dialcube.ro > <mailto:dial at dialcube.ro><mailto:dial at dialcube.ro > <mailto:dial at dialcube.ro>>> > > Cc: members-discuss at ripe.net > <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net><mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net > <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net>> > > Betreff: Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple LIR Accounts > - Please Discuss > > > > Hello, folks! > > > > That's good conversation. I'm representing VPS service company. > We bought multiple /20 and /21 subnets at last 2 years. > > > > But actually there really big injustice exists here! > > > > I've followed all RIPE guidance and request resources only when > they really required for next 3-6 months. I have 95% subnet > utilization in each network! All my IP addresses really used. > > > > But I known so much LIR's who just ignore RIPE rules and > requested bunch of /18, /16 networks many years ago.... just > because they can. Right now almost all this networks are on IPv4 > market. > > > > And I should pay my money to persons which violated RIPE rules > for a long time. > > > > Than't really weird, isn't it? > > > > On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:34 PM, Radu Brebu <dial at dialcube.ro > <mailto:dial at dialcube.ro><mailto:dial at dialcube.ro > <mailto:dial at dialcube.ro>>> wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > This is a socialist way of thinking, you are free (ipotetic > speaking) to open another lir and satisfy your VPS needs no? some > companies prefer to plan their business long term. In my opinion > it's not ok to prioritize resources keeping in mind only the need. > We are leaving and doing business in a capitalist environment, > buying resources it is what is all about. > > > > > > On 02/11/16 16:19, José Manuel Giner wrote: > > I agree with it. We need IPs to continue providing VPS servers, > and other LIRs with unused prefixes, no sense... > > > > > > > > On 11/02/2016 15:09, Aleksey Bulgakov wrote: > > Hi, all. > > > > I think, it is better to return unused allocations, received before > > 2012, to the NCC pool. > > > > -- > > Kind regards, > > Aleksey Bulgakov > > FastTelecom, CEO > > 7 926 6908729 > > > > 14:02, 11 февраля 2016 г., Nigel Titley : > > > > Dear colleagues, > > > > The RIPE NCC Executive Board would like to ask the membership to > > discuss > > the issue of RIPE NCC members opening additional LIR accounts. > > > > There were comments at the RIPE NCC General Meeting (GM) in > November > > 2015 that members having the ability to open additional LIR > accounts, > > each of which can request a /22 of IPv4 address space, may > run against > > the spirit of the last /8 policy. In light of this, the Board > > decided to > > temporarily suspend the ability of RIPE NCC members to open > additional > > LIR accounts. > > > > The RIPE NCC began to allocate IPv4 address space from the > last /8 > > policy on 14 September 2012. Since that time the RIPE NCC has > > allocated > > more than 8,600 /22s, yet there remains 0.94 of a /8 still > in the > > pool. > > > > ACTION REQUIRED: > > The Board asks the membership to provide their opinion on > and discuss > > the following points: > > > > 1. Is the activity of members opening additional LIR accounts a > > problem > > that must be prevented? > > > > 2. If this activity is a problem that must be prevented, > what action > > should the RIPE NCC take to attempt its prevention? > > > > Statistics pertinent to this discussion are available in this > > article on > > RIPE Labs: > > > https://labs.ripe.net/Members/laura_cobley/ripe-ncc-members-and-multiple-lir-accounts?pk_campaign=members&pk_kwd=list-ncc > > > > The Board asks that members discuss this issue on the > Members Discuss > > mailing list . > > > > The Board will monitor the discussion and will review it at > the next > > Executive Board Meeting on 31 March 2016. Depending on the > outcome of > > that meeting, the Board may propose a resolution for members to > > vote on > > at the RIPE NCC General Meeting in May 2016. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Nigel Titley > > RIPE NCC Executive Board > > > > > > > > > > ---- > > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC > members-discuss > > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to > the general page: > > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ > > > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing > Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. > > > > > > > > ---- > > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC > members-discuss > > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to > the general page: > > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ > > > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing > Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. > > > > > > > > -- > > Sincerely yours, Pavel Odintsov > > CTO, FastVPS Eesti OU > > > > > > > > ---- > > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC > members-discuss > > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to > the general page: > > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ > > > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing > Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. > > > > > -- > Jack > Kwaoo noc > > More details about KWAOO can be found at: > https://as24904.kwaoo.net/ > > ---- > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to > the general page: > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". > From here, you can add or remove addresses. > > > > > -- > Sincerely yours, Pavel Odintsov > CTO, FastVPS Eesti OU > > > ---- > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". 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