[members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] Draft RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2016

Gert,

I don't think Sander is upset we had a professional discussion and each had a view on garbage collection but I will leave that up to him to declare. Yes I do recall you objected to the take it or leave it presentation. I remember personally taking note of that valid comment and I remember the board collectively agreeing that going forward we will present charging scheme for comments way in advance of voting and then based on those comments make the necessary adjustments. I can today proudly say the board has kept to that arrangement and, as you see from the charging scheme we are discussing, presented to us their proposal for discussing :) come on let's give them some credit for listening. The fact is, members will differ about what they feel is important to them. It's the nature of being human. It doesn't make any one way wrong. Just as I said to Sander, if enough members feel strongly enough about ASN charge, they can propose for a vote a different scheme. I am sure the board will take that under consideration. But personally, I think the simpler flat fee model will win because of that: it is simpler. 

As to garbage collection I do feel it's important to clean house and I think we should be asking the NCC to keep us appraised of their efforts as a membership and give constructive suggestions over time rather than go back and redevelop the charging scheme that the majority seem happy with. One does not exclude the other.


Fahad.



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  Original Message  
From: Gert Doering
Sent: Saturday, 28 March 2015 16:16
To: Lu Heng
Cc: Gert Doering; Fahad AlShirawi; members-discuss at ripe.net
Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] Draft RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2016

Hi,

On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 02:06:17PM +0100, Lu Heng wrote:
> I really think the RIPE fee are low enough that not even getting to be
> considered to be part of business expense(almost 100 euro/month, my
> personal gym member fee was like that), consider the large growth of
> member base for upcoming years and Ripe has no plan to increase staff
> as far as I hard from what said in last GM, the fee will keep
> dropping, I think most member would agree there is no real need to
> change it in term of financial reason.

The total amount is actually not what Sander and I are upset about.

It's really about the inherent conflict between the RIPE NCC being
tasked to implement community policy and at the same time being paid
by commercial members, which might have a different view on priorities,
and the NCC board being caught in between. 

(And to a certain part, frustration with the actual community that always
needs financial incentives to do the right thing, namely: return unused
resources, like AS numbers)

Gert Doering
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