[members-discuss] My Question To All LIR Members

Interesting that RIPE don't use the RIPE data…

https://stat.ripe.net/93.93.98.2

The geoloc-frame places it in Norway while the Registry browser (on the same page) places it in US (which is correct)...

Yours
Jan Marius Evang
Media Network Services
AS44654


On 28. mai 2014, at 11:02, admin at intl-alliance.com wrote:

> I depend on Maxmind using data obtained from a central registry. If all 
> ip tracing websites created their own databases with information they 
> made up, we wouldn't bother with the RIPE database any more because it 
> would become obsolete. We depend on ip tracing websites to gather their 
> information from authority sites, not the garbage they produce on their 
> own. And I'm only interested, as well as my end-users, of seeing ip 
> information that I've registered in the appropriate places. Simply 
> stating that "we're only interested in end-user locations" rather than 
> ip registration data, sits badly in my mind. And it has also caught the 
> attention of the RIPE NCC itself, which just sent me the following email 
> regarding this situation:
> 
> Dear Jared,
> 
> Thank you for your email.
> 
> We value your concern about correct registration details for internet 
> resources.
> 
> However the RIPE NCC has no authority on how private companies compile 
> their data and how much they take information from the RIPE database in 
> account.
> Did you contacted MaxMind directly and informed them about the 
> mismatching information they provide? Because finally if information are 
> incorrect then this is not only damaging companies like yours but also 
> the reputation of the providers of this data.
> 
> And I will forward your observation to my colleagues from the 
> stat.ripe.net team as there for Geolocation we are using data from 
> MaxMind.
> https://stat.ripe.net/193.0.20.0#tabId=geo
> 
> Then my colleagues will check if there could be any conflicting 
> information in our own tools.
> 
> -- 
> Thank you again for bring up this topic.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Marco Schmidt
> RIPE NCC
> 
> 
> On 2014-05-28 09:52, Alfredo Sola wrote:
>>> That thought was kind of pointless after they refused to help. I've
>>> spent hours on their site manually updating all of their inaccuracies
>>> over the past few years. From one month to the next they can screw up
>>> entire ranges with their monthly updates. My networks do not run 
>>> proxies
>>> period. I run vpn services and remote desktops, but never proxies. And
>>> vpn services cannot be classified the same as open proxies as they are
>>> totally different.
>> 
>> 	I think your issue is more a business model problem than a registry
>> or IP problem.
>> 
>> 	What you are saying is that you depend on Maxmind providing the
>> location of your VPN servers / remote desktop servers rather than the
>> location of users computers connected to them. Maxmind, on the other
>> hand, is saying that they provide the location of users if they can,
>> or will mark the location as unknown.
>> 
>> 	So your business model depends on Maxmind agreeing to provide to
>> their customers something which is not what they pay to obtain. And
>> they refuse. I personally don't think they can be blamed for that, but
>> that's something between your company and Maxmind. And nothing in this
>> has to do with RIPE.
> 
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