[members-discuss] Cogent uses RIPE DB for spam

I agree. It depends on how they get the data.
If they're manually searching the database and calling people they find 
they're investing some time to find the correct person and I believe 
that shouldn't be a big issue, but it may be annoying for those 
affected.
If on the other hand someone automates the extraction and gives the 
information to a callcenter I'd be a bit disturbed by their tactics.

But i guess hiding the information so it gets trickier to automate 
extraction would have wider consequences. Automated DMCA notifications / 
copyright infringement notifications / spam and other weird stuff where 
there isn't a person on the other end could probably decrease a bit.

Oskar Stenman

2014-06-13 15:33 skrev Dominik Nowacki:
> Oskar, problem here is that they are real people who call, they can
> also solve captchas.
>
>
> With Kind Regards,
> Dominik Nowacki
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> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net] On Behalf Of oskar at cetex.se
> Sent: 13 June 2014 14:25
> To: members-discuss at ripe.net
> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Cogent uses RIPE DB for spam
>
> Or implement some kind of captcha for anonymous requests on the web
> so programmatic mining without a person-object and a registered
> maintainer becomes trickier, and remove email / phone from the files
> on the ftp-site.
>
> If someone wants to get in touch they just have to solve the captcha
> and the information will be available.
> If someone wants to get data from CLI or automatic they would have to
> provide user-info when they do their request, or get a response with
> such data removed.
>
> I have no idea how large the repercursions of doing this would be
> though. I guess this knowledge exists on the list though. :)
>
> Oskar Stenman
>
> 2014-06-13 14:31 skrev Mag. Matthias Šubik:
>> Hello,
>> On 13.06.2014, at 14:12, Andrei Kushnireuski wrote:
>> ...
>>> For me it's very bad practice for same company like Cogent to use
>>> RIPE DB for spamming. Did anybody receive same calls/emails based 
>>> on
>>> RIPE DB info?
>>
>> This is true for a lot of companies that use provision based 
>> payment.
>> As others said before, representatives change, and each of them has 
>> a
>> 'new' and 'bright' idea to find new customers.
>>
>> The only thing that helps is not to respond to such offers, or
>> complaining to their headquarters. Setting remarks in RIPE-DB is 
>> next
>> to useless, as they employ mostly bad coded scripts to parse only 
>> the
>> fields they need. Moving the telephone number or post-dial PIN to 
>> the
>> remarks helps, as network admins tend to read full whois output,
>> instead of parsed fields in excel.
>>
>> Matthias
>>
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