[members-discuss] [Ticket#2012072401002498] Probably Free /8 networks in RIPE region

in either way, hardware that doesn't do ipv6 is a complete writeoff, so 
its either the 1M license or regard the entire stuff as scrapmetal (or 
find another way to force them to enable ipv6 on it, such as blackmailing 
them with buying new equipment elsewhere in the future, which is MORE loss 
to them than the 1M ;)


On Fri, 27 Jul 2012, Sven Olaf Kamphuis wrote:

> then just threatten them to get another vendor for -everything- ...
>
> quite sure they'll go for the 'ok here you have the 1M licence for free as 
> long as you keep buying 10M/yr in equipment for us' option.
>
> also as for CPE, most of that stuff can easily run linux... developers in 
> india could be cheaper than 9889483989 new adsl modems.
>
> (so just get your OWN firmware in that case)
>
>
> On Fri, 27 Jul 2012, Mark Jones (MK) wrote:
>
>> As mentioned before, some vendors still want paying in the order of $£1M 
>> for a licence in order to enable the use of IPV6 on their systems/software 
>> which can delay the uptake of IPV6. So it's not just a matter of hardware 
>> upgrades.
>> 
>> M.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net 
>> [mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net] On Behalf Of Sven Olaf Kamphuis
>> Sent: 27 July 2012 12:11
>> To: LeaderTelecom Ltd.
>> Cc: Erik Bais; members-discuss at ripe.net; Nigel Titley
>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [Ticket#2012072401002498] Probably Free /8 
>> networks in RIPE region
>> 
>> you go to your CFO -now- and tell them you need new equipment -now- 
>> ?!?!?!?!
>> 
>> HELLO IPv6 support has been around since the late 1990s.
>> 
>> if you didn't get new equipment since then , how are you still in business 
>> and not being totally rooted every other day?
>> 
>> basically you're saying all your stuff is 16 years old.
>> 
>> On Fri, 27 Jul 2012, LeaderTelecom Ltd. wrote:
>> 
>>> Dear Erik,
>>> 
>>>> I spoke with someone from Surfnet a while ago (they also have a /8
>>>> and a
>>> whole block of 16 bit ASN
>>>> pre-RIPE) and on they question if they would return space to RIPE,
>>>> their
>>> answer was :
>>> > <quote>Why prolong the inevitable, we have been doing v6 for 15
>>> years already. Everyone should do
>>>> the same ...</end quote>
>>>> That reasoning is very true and I do agree with it.
>>> 
>>> Yes, from technical point of view it is excelent answer and probably
>>> ideal way for internet. But when you goes to CFO and tell that you
>>> need new equipment - he will ask reason why you need additional
>>> investments? All works well. You can tell stories about IPv4 and
>>> IPv6... But from finance point of view it doesn't make any sense. Run
>>> IPv6 and what next? It will give you new customers? Or current
>>> cusomers will pay mode money? NOOOO! It is just extra expenses. It
>>> time when each company try to cut costs impossible to invest money in
>>> word "IPv6". But! If cost IPv4 will grow - then it will be very simple for 
>>> companies to understund that chaeper will be migrate to IPv6.
>>>   
>>> > That is also why a charging scheme based on v4 is short lived and
>>> out-dated by the time it comes
>>>> into action. The first RIPE invoice based on it, will be when the
>>>> resource
>>> pool is already in the final /8.
>>>> And that pool won't magically grow back above it ...
>>> > A charging scheme based on budget / nr of members is my prediction
>>> where things should go for the
>>>> above mentioned reasons, why based it on a resource or charge for a
>>>> resource
>>> that is gone ... To have
>>>> this discussion again in one or two years ? Please spare me ...
>>> 
>>> But RIPE must support servers, software and etc which support IPv4.
>>> And all this expenses must pay LIRs? When IPv4 will finished and new
>>> LIRs will get only IPv6 - why they must pay a huge money for support
>>> IPv4 when they will provide only IPv6?
>>>  
>>>  --
>>> Alexey Ivanov
>>> LeaderTelecom Ltd.
>>> 
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