[members-discuss] [Ticket#2012072401002498] Probably Free /8 networks in RIPE region
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Sven Olaf Kamphuis
sven at cb3rob.net
Fri Jul 27 12:14:21 CEST 2012
how about the entire class-e space (244/8 and up) milnet (21,22,26) etc all of which not-announced at all. but better you just switch to v6 :P as for the e-class space, nobody seems to 'claim' it so just use it lol On Fri, 27 Jul 2012, Paolo Di Francesco wrote: > Hi William > > >> WIND uses by far *more* than 5mil IPs - They are the second largest >> access provider in Italy, in fact they are so short already that they >> run NAT now... > > I guess it's not the only net allocated to wind, but just to make things > clear regarding the IPv4-IPv6 situation in Italy: > > 1) at the current date each provider MUST allocate one public IPv4 for > each contract (not customer, contract, which means if you have one > company with 50 employees at minimum one public IPv4 must be allocated) > 2) NAT (=multiple customers beyond one public IP) with some form of > "connection tracking" has been proposed, but yet not accepted by the > Italian government > 3) the big telco told us that dual stack cannot be done and they will > never implement it so far because: > 3.a) there is no mobile device well supporting IPv6 > 3.b) IPv6 traffic is insignificant, the traffic is only IPv4 (well if > they do not provider IPv6 to customers I see some barriers to have IPv6 > traffic...) > 3.c) IPv6 WILL NOT HAPPEN for a looooong time, and they will NOT provide > dual stack > 3.d) xDSL modems do not support IPv6 (maybe they should change modem > brand, I don't know) > 3.e) operating systems are not supporting IPv6 > > We asked them to give dual stack, but the message that I have heard is: > no only IPv4 and NAT is the solution for the future, then maybe in some > years (5? 10? 20??) we will reconsider IPv6 > > Therefore I see small and medium ISP running dual stack to be "future > ready" while large operators in Italy will run IPv4 and NAT for a long, > long time. > > Now if RIPE will consider a dual fee for IPv4 and IPv6 I guess that it > will not help small LIRs to implement IPv6 and that will be a huge > damage for the whole community. > > It will be funny that small ISP are implementing IPv6 and maybe paying > more than big telcos. > > Regarding the IPv4-IPv6 policy, my personal opinion is that it's a > commercial war: the longer IPv6 dual stack or transition will take, the > better will be to keep the market closed and the current positions > untouched. > > Should we consider an extra fee if you do NOT use IPv6 for customers???? > > But as I said, we should split the two discussions: one regarding IPv4 > and IPv6 allocation (and mistakes of the past, when nobody knew what the > hell was an IP) and another one regarding RIPE fees. Not saying those > two things are not related just saying that IPv4 re-allocation policy > for huge systems should be taken into serious consideration > > As a last note: if Wind and other operators are using NAT and they are > happy with that (instead of implementing dual stack and migration > mechanisms) then they DO NOT NEED IPv4, and then then can give it back > to RIPE. If with one IPv4 you can put 1,000-10,000 customers, hey we are > 60 millions in Italy we need few public IPv4 for big LIRS, right? > > Best regards > > > -- > > > Ing. Paolo Di Francesco > > Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale > > Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo > > C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 > Fax : +39-091-8772072 > assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 > web: http://www.level7.it > > > > > ---- > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. >
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