[members-discuss] Charging scheme discussion

Hi

to me what we should discuss is if we intend to introduce a model where 
some LIRs will pay more than others and how much this "delta" should be

My opinion is that:

1) RIPE offers service to all of us, in a neutral and efficient way and 
this is a fact, I doubt that we can discuss that we ALL NEED RIPE!
2) the bigger is the LIR, i.e. the more revenues it gets in the telco 
market, the more it should pay. This is not so related to "resources 
consumption" but to a more logic and ethical issue regarding the duties 
that each of us should have in front of the community. I do not see why 
a small company or a start up should pay as much as a Telco whose 
revenues are billions per year. If we state that "we pay all the same" 
then we are not talking of a community, we are going against the basic 
idea of a community where each one should contribute for what you have.
3) the model is not related to "selling IP" but it should be related 
that the big companies should pay more than the fragile and small 
companies. We NEED new ideas in Europe and posing some barriers to new 
small companies it does not look like a good idea for Europe, especially 
right now. We do not have the same ecosystem that USA has, we need to 
improve this. And the RIPE community SHOULD help small companies to get 
bigger (and once bigger to contribute with an higher fee)
4) how to measure the size? we could ask to declare the total revenues 
coming from the telco products, then we could calculate the percentage, 
divide by X, then sum Y and then add bla bla bla..... It would be long 
and complex for RIPE and not very efficient. The solution is simple and 
it was working some years ago when we had extra small, small, medium 
etc. accordingly to some objective, clear, transparent paramenters: 
allocated IPv4 address space, ASs and PIs. It's already declared by each 
of us, it's easy to compute and to say "hey I am small/big/huge etc"
5) accordingly to 4 what I think should be better tuned is that 
extra-large should pay 10 to 100 times more than extra-small. Extra 
small should pay less than 500 Euro per year, while extra large should 
pay...... more. Do you think I am asking something inadeguate? ok give 
me the same revenues of billions per year and I would be in "your shoes" 
paying 50K/year and still smiling all the day long. Come into the shoes 
of a small company and try to find the fees for RIPE while you still are 
thinking how to survive till the end of the year.

I still do not see what is the problem for a large company to pay 50K 
Euros or more for the communutiy, because we are talking of a community 
right?

Just my 2 Eurocents
Regards

Paolo


> Hi,
>
> On Jul 24, 2012, at 9:38 PM, Rob Golding wrote:
>> "count" of ip's within a block - no, it's back to them being a "commodity"
>> (altering the tax status)
>
> This is wrong and leads to misinformation.
>
> Until last year RIPE membership had a cost depending on a class model (large, small, extra large, etc), which on its behalf depended on the number of allocated resources. Until last year (and now, so far) RIPE was classified as non-profit. These are facts.
>
> So it IS POSSIBLE to have a membership fee that depends on the number of allocated resources without changing the non-profit status, and an example has been provided.
>
> Everybody understands that RIPE cannot "sell" address space, everybody understands that RIPE can have different classes of membership which different fees, where the class of membership depends on the number of allocated resources and the fee is effectively proportional to that, all this maintaining a non-profit status.
>
> Continuing to confuse these two issues, which have nothing to do each with the other, sounds like plain misinformation: The "Tax issue" is not an issue, unless further information showing the opposite is presented.
>
> Regards,
>
> A.
>
>
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