[members-discuss] A summary for Proposal for New RIPE NCC Charging Scheme Model

>> Therefore I do not find scandalous that a bigger LIR that probably makes
>> billions per year (e.g. mobile companies) should pay to RIPE  50K Euros
>> per year. RIPE is not useful only to me, but to EVERY SINGLE EUROPEAN
>> LIR. Moreover, the more resources (e.g. IPv4, AS, etc) you allocate, the
>> more you use the DB, the more you open tickets, etc.
>
> Firstly, not everyone makes money from the use of resources.
> Non-profits, charitable organisations, and individuals with PI space
> exist.

I doubt that a no-profit organization allocates more that what a small 
LIR allocates for commercial purposes, but we can ask to big telco to 
pay for them too, not to start ups or small companies who are trying to 
grow.

anyway, no-profit literally means "no profit" which does not mean "I do 
not pay for services"

For charitable organisations, again I doubt they are "big LIR" but if 
they are, I would support to make it even free for them if their budget 
cannot support LIR rates and ask to bigger LIR to pay their quote
But again: if those charitable organisations are spending money in other 
services I do not see why if they allocate or use RIPE services they 
should not pay as well as big LIR (if those organizations are BIG)

> Secondly, it would require the NCC to *know* how much money a member
> makes and this information is something a non-public company would not
> be keen to divulge.

Never asked RIPE to do that, and never proposed something like that. Any 
indirect way of measuring should be taken and IPv4 count is a good way 
to measure it.

That's why the IPv4 count should give us an idea of the "size". I am not 
saying that we should use a "tax" approach, but simply think that the 
size (huge, big, medium, etc) should be calculated accordingly to this 
and other parameters.

One question: if a LIR has a huge IPv4 allocation does it mean is has 
the same gross income of a company that has just one /21? Does they use 
the same amount of RIPE resouces (db, access, tickets, etc) ?

I am talking of a simple thing: we MUST be sure that RIPE will continue 
to give us, LIRs, the same great service it has given us for years. It 
is essential for all of us, not only small or big LIRs.

Now, is that a big issue for huge companies to pay 50K (or 20K) per year 
to make this service going?


> Thirdly, I'm sure there are many large telcos who, while using large
> amounts of resources, are actually making a loss on paper. Will they get
> a free ride?

As I said: they use RIPE services, as I do, they pay (hopefully more). 
If you are saying they have a loss of 1 billion per year, this is not a 
RIPE issue more a bad company managment issue.
Just as they pay for adv on tv, I do not see why they should not pay 
RIPE for its services. I am simply saying that bigger means more 
resources which CAN be related more use of RIPE services and resouces.


>> 1) can we delegate somebody to go and vote? If so we could ask to other
>> Lirs or Associations of Providers to step in and do vote for N LIRs. I
>> do not think that would be a problem to delegate somebody who will
>> represent your company, isn't it?
>>
>> 2) do we have a remote mechanism to participate and vote?
>
> A member can nominate a proxy to vote on their behalf or vote
> electronically (that has in the past not always been possible for all
> votes) as laid out in http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-514
>
> I note that http://www.ripe.net/lir-services/ncc/gm does not have any
> information regarding these possibilities, maybe the NCC could remedy
> this?
>

I hope that the RIPE guys will find a solution so that we can improve 
RIPE participation. :)


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