[members-discuss] A summary for Proposal for New RIPE NCC Charging Scheme Model

This.

Besides i would just delegate the RIPE works then to "EDIS RIPE Limited" which has exactly that in revenue what it needs to pay the RIPE bills - What then?
Might be not correct, but that would be fully legal and set us in the smallest possible revenue (and thus member category)...

(And yes, i am one of these individuals which holds PI space, and no, i will never pay RIPE even a single cent for this - There is also no contract for this, ENDusers pay to their LIR and nothing else.)

This discussion is nice to read (in particular on mobile, stops me from getting bored) but neither needed nor very productive....

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Am 17.07.2012 um 15:41 schrieb Sascha Luck:

> On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 03:00:14PM +0200, Paolo Di Francesco wrote:
>> Therefore I do not find scandalous that a bigger LIR that probably makes
>> billions per year (e.g. mobile companies) should pay to RIPE  50K Euros
>> per year. RIPE is not useful only to me, but to EVERY SINGLE EUROPEAN
>> LIR. Moreover, the more resources (e.g. IPv4, AS, etc) you allocate, the
>> more you use the DB, the more you open tickets, etc.
> 
> Firstly, not everyone makes money from the use of resources.
> Non-profits, charitable organisations, and individuals with PI space
> exist.  
> Secondly, it would require the NCC to *know* how much money a member
> makes and this information is something a non-public company would not
> be keen to divulge.
> Thirdly, I'm sure there are many large telcos who, while using large
> amounts of resources, are actually making a loss on paper. Will they get
> a free ride?
> 
>> 1) can we delegate somebody to go and vote? If so we could ask to other
>> Lirs or Associations of Providers to step in and do vote for N LIRs. I
>> do not think that would be a problem to delegate somebody who will
>> represent your company, isn't it?
>> 
>> 2) do we have a remote mechanism to participate and vote?
> 
> A member can nominate a proxy to vote on their behalf or vote
> electronically (that has in the past not always been possible for all 
> votes) as laid out in http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-514
> 
> I note that http://www.ripe.net/lir-services/ncc/gm does not have any
> information regarding these possibilities, maybe the NCC could remedy
> this?
> 
> rgds,
> Sascha Luck
> 
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