[members-discuss] Fwd: Re: budget 2012

Am 06.10.2011 09:20, schrieb Jon Morby:
> The more I hear on the this (and the less I hear from RIPE themselves), the more I think that something is wrong at the heart of RIPE :(
>
> I have sadly sat on the sidelines (as have many I think) expecting / trusting RIPE and the members with the resources available to attend the meetings and focus on the regs and do the right thing.

I guess a trust should be - as pointed to RIPE - that they will declare 
how much people will work for RIPE NCC and in which loan category they 
are declared because I guess that the "normal NCC worker" don't get an 
increase of 6% like each year - for me it is more that some "manager" 
will get much more cash. If it isn't true RIPE can declare the loan 
scheme to THEIR MEMBERS because we have a right to know that !!!

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> Sadly it seems that with both this budget and also 2007-01 my faith and trust has been misplaced :(

100% agree - in my mind too if I will take a look to the old 
budget/balances ;(

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> The question is, without spending a fortune we don't have as a company to send people to Vienna, how do we address this and stop the moon shot before it gets really out of control?

electronic voting is the key to stop that :)

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> Also how do we take 2007-01 and abandon it???

don't know. There are some stuff that don't work well @ RIPE NCC like 
the PI-IPv6 policy.

Best regards,
      Alexander Schoberl
        SPEEDNIC S.R.L.

>
> Jon
>
> On 6 Oct 2011, at 13:04, SPEEDNIC S.R.L. - RIPE Handling wrote:
>
>> Am 06.10.2011 05:59, schrieb Hank Nussbacher:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> At 12:19 05/10/2011 -0300, SPEEDNIC S.R.L. - RIPE Handling wrote:
>>>>> One big point is that the personnel expenses will growing up by 6,3%
>>>>> !?!?! I don't guess that each one will get more money at this amount.
>>>>> But why we need that high increase - more personnel maybe - but why ??
>>>>> The work at RIPE will be the same as before without needing more
>>>>> personnel because LIR can be waiting without problem like one day longer
>>>>> for some requests too - isn't it ?
>>>>>
>>>>> General Operating Expenses +10,8% ??? It is a joke not ?
>>>>
>>>> Ask yourself, why no one from RIPE has over the past week added to the
>>>> discussion here with the reasons and justifications for why they need to
>>>> increase their budget.
>>>>
>>>> -Hank
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>        Alexander Schoberl
>>>>>          SPEEDNIC S.R.L.
>>>
>>> Also note that the 9% increased budget is not up for voting.  The only
>>> thing up for voting is the charging scheme.  The 19MEuro budget is fait
>>> accompli.
>>
>> I don't guess that you don't know that the increased budget is an effect
>> that the charging scheme/fees will increase too ??
>>
>> Otherwise take a look to the budget over the last years. As some told
>> after 2008 the budget goint to the moon instead of before - special the
>> personnel costs which will make the big point in the budget.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>      Alexander Schoberl
>>        SPEEDNIC S.R.L.
>>
>>>
>>> -Hank
>>>
>>>