[members-discuss] Proposed 2012 Charging scheme, Board comments

Hi Fred,

> Did anyone made a calculation on how RIPE would benefit from a
> significant increase in members during 2012?

We are probably in the depletion phase for v4 by 2012. So each /21 that is handed out to a new LIR is gone from the last /8.

Why should we give that last /8 away for membership fees at just 500 euro while everyone else pays between 1800 and 3000 a year ?
There is no way to request PI anymore when v4 is depleted.. but that doesn't mean that we should hand out LIR's for that same (or almost similar) price as cost is probably one of the only reasons why certain companies opt for PI vs a LIR status atm.

> 2. New members should have equal rights compared to current members to
> implement IPv4 and IPv6.
>
> Since last February the last /8's have been given to the RIR's. They
> are now almost depleted. This means new members can't have new IPv4
> addresses and should right away start with implementing IPv6. The
> effects of that depletion is that among current members IPv4 address
> space is being sold/transferred. This works in hand a rise in cost for
> new members who need IPv4 and it starts looking like a trade floor
> which totally opposes the RIPE allocation policies.

Each current LIR member has their v4. When the RIPE pool is done and we are going to chip into the last /8, each current member gets 1 /21 from the that /8. Each new lir (after that moment) also only gets 1 /21.

So it is not that nobody can't have anything anymore.. There is enough to supply new LIR's for some years .. However, if someone thinks they can request or require a /16 because they are the next Facebook or Netflix or something else.. That is when they need to become creative as RIPE can't help them at that moment anymore..

> 3. The strongest shoulders should carry the heaviest load.
>
> I would like to suggest claiming back some old allocations, starting
> with the /8's which are also not used for more than 15 per cent at the
> most. Those companies/institutions have much more resources to
> implement IPv6 faster than most of us.

You mean the legacy allocations ?  that have been around even longer than RIPE ? How can you claim something back that wasn't yours to begin with ?
Most of the legacy space /8's has been around longer than ARIN / RIPE have been around.

One of those legacy holders said to me once ... IPv4 is going to be depleted anyway .. why prolong the inevitable ??  Their extra /10 or something that they could give back, will only delay the whole depletion with 1 or 2 months ..

> More members would avoid increase in membership fees, but this is
> actually hold back due to lack of IPv4 and the backdoor trade which
> start to flourish wildly ...

I just finished a request for a /22 PI for a customer last week through RIPE. As long as the pool isn't finished yet, the only thing that flourishes wildly is the media speculation on IP trading ... That will / might change later, but currently it isn't the case.
I haven't had anyone come up to me offering X amount for the IP's we have in use.. did you ?

Erik Bais