[members-discuss] Surprise on renew fees

Speak about the fee is losing the time.

RIPE is a foundation, with non profit, but now, when the IPv4 is full and
there are a global economic problem, RIPE impose the fee with an increase.

And I don´t like speak about the general meetings to deal the new charge
scheme because in my enterprise, with only one /26 IPv4, we can´t pay the
cost to go to the general meeting (travel, salary) and I and imagine that
there are more like us so only the big enterprise can assist, negotiate and
vote (although we can use the internet vote). They are the lobby that will
have benefit over the small enterprise that will have problems to continue
with the IP/Internet business and it will increase their clients.

In resume, I can't understand why a foundation increase its expenses year
over year.
It´s an opinion, and after all, a modest opinion.


Saludos...

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De: members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net
[mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net] En nombre de poty at iiat.ru
Enviado el: miércoles, 14 de diciembre de 2011 10:55
Para: h.lu at outsideheaven.com; paolo.difrancesco at level7.it
CC: members-discuss at ripe.net
Asunto: Re: [members-discuss] Surprise on renew fees



From: members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net
[mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net] On Behalf Of Lu Heng
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 3:41 AM
To: paolo.difrancesco at level7.it
Cc: members-discuss at ripe.net
Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Surprise on renew fees

> Well, if the new 2012 charging scheme was processed, then it will be based
on amount of resource we are using.
The 2012 had several bad and quite unfair flaws in many sides of its
preparing procedure, its structure and the undercarpet considerations - that
is why it didn't see support.


>if IP's price goes up, it not only benefits the new comer who got the 
>IP but also the old ones who already had the IP. If everybody is 
>holding something has same value, why one party should be paying more while
another should be paying less.
It's not so easy. I think you do not understand the scheme correctly. "old"
LIRs if they want to get a block would be counted in the same way as
newcomers for the block, so the fairness of getting addresses is better in
the scheme. On the other hand - if the minimal block in "old" times was /16
and the then-new LIR got it and it is still enough or even not used even
close to fully - it's unfair to punish the LIR. Many best practices at the
time was not so flexible as now - and it led to "waste" in modern point of
view, but it's very difficult to change the assignments now (initial
criteria is still met) - why the LIR should suffer?

Vladislav Potapov
Ru.iiat


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