[members-discuss] New Charging Scheme
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Christian 'wiwi' Wittenhorst
wiwi at progon.net
Thu Aug 4 13:12:39 CEST 2011
On 2011-08-04 11:48, James Blessing wrote: > On 04/08/2011 10:39, Simon Lockhart wrote: > >> For example, here's another pricing model which could work (prices >> completely >> made up on the spot, so don't judge fairness on the numbers I use): >> >> Membership Fee (per year): EUR 1000 >> >> Per allocation costs: >> First Year Subsequent Years >> IPv4 (up to /22): EUR 100 EUR 50 >> IPv4 (/21 to /20): EUR 200 EUR 50 >> IPv4 (/19 to /16): EUR 400 EUR 100 >> IPv4 (/15 to /12): EUR 800 EUR 100 >> IPv4 (over /12): EUR 1500 EUR 200 >> >> IPv6 (/32): EUR 100 EUR 50 >> IPv6 (Over /32): EUR 400 EUR 50 >> >> ASN: EUR 100 EUR 50 >> >> Other objects: EUR 400 EUR 50 >> >> In here, the membership fee is designed to cover all the other RIPE >> services - >> Atlas, Labs, Meetings, etc, etc. There is of course the option to have a >> "Membership Lite" at a reduced rate with restrictions (only one IPv4, >> one IPv6 >> and one ASN allocation, no access to other services or RIPE meetings). > > This is a much better structure for the membership fees (and easy for > a new/existing member to calculate) might be easier to split the first > year into a 'successful application fee' and annual fee. > > The other thing could be to include 1 ASN, 1 v4 and 1 v6 (regardless > of size) in the standard membership fee and then have another category > which covered small object holders with out the 'package'. > > Would be nice to see how this worked with 'real numbers' rather than > holding ones. Some facts: - 44% of all members are in the /21-/20 range - 43% are in the /19-/16 range - 10% are /15 or larger - We need to raise EUR 18M (2011 Budget) - There are 7700 member, so the average fee must be EUR 2330/y. - RIPE wants to encourage small "operations" to join RIPE for little money (XS and XSS categories). - One of the bigger members (de.telekom) has about 30 IPv4 allocation, being equivalent to a bit less than a /7. fr.telecom has about 30 allocations equivalent to a /7.5. - The average /18 member seems to hold 1 to 6 IPv4 allocation, which an average around 3 IPv4 allocations. (small sample, so use with caution, please) - RIPE has 22200 ASN. Source: <http://www-public.it-sudparis.eu/~maigron/RIR_Stats/RIPE_Allocations/IPv4/ByNb/index.html> Interpretation: - a /18 would have to pay around EUR 2300, otherwise there will be no chance of getting the required money. - the base membership fee should be around EUR 250-500, otherwise to high for XXS and XS - the scheme should be fair for the /21-/16 range, they represent 87% of the members and will have to raise 75%+ of the budget in any reasonable scheme. - charging ASN is not really useful, it would need EUR 80/y to cover only 10% of the budget. - There will be almost no new allocations in the near future, so the "subsequent year" amount should cover the costs. James Blessing's scheme would look like: Base Fee: EUR 500 (let's assume 1 allocation IPv4+IPv6 includes, 1 ASN) EUR 800 for a /21 to /18 allocation annually. Otherwise the "typical" /18 would not pay enough to cover the costs. A really large LIR will have to pay 30*EUR 800, about EUR 24k, anyway. Best regards, wiwi
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