[members-discuss] Discuss Charging Scheme 2010

Tonnerre Lombard wrote:
> Salut,
> 
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 04:44:07PM +0100, Martin List-Petersen wrote:
>> Any agreement in any case would be until further notice. As there was no
>> contract and thus no way of telling how long you'd have the ressources.
>> Matter of fact is, that nobody owns the number-ressources.
>>
>> If it was a matter of ownership, sure, but it's not. It's a service. At
>> any given time, you'll have the number-ressources on borrowed time and
>> can be happy if you have them free for as long as you had them free.
>>
>> But there has at no time been the case of ownership. And with a service,
>> that can change, be there a written contract or not. It just has to be
>> announced in due time and that has been done.
> 
> The question in times of customary trademark claims and everything is more
> like, would a LIR bet the existence of their company (potentially) on the
> likelyhood that any given judge agrees with the RIPEs vision of their
> services and their obligation to provide them.
> 
> But hey, legal uncertainty is modern, so I see RIPE seems to be doing well.

Again. Differentiate between RIPE and the RIPE NCC. RIPE is the LIR
membership. The RIPE NCC handles the ressources and actions the
policies, that have been worked out by the RIPE membership (the LIRs).

If you don't like it, participate in the workgroups.

I'd say with a contractual relationship, there's actually certainty.
Because before that, if you had PI and ASN ressources from a LIR that
has gone bust, you'd never know how long you'd keep them after the other
ressources are returned due to liquidation.

Now there is at least a clear procedure and you can even choose to have
a relationship with the RIPE NCC and not a LIR. It just has a price tag.

The upside of that, if a lot of organisations do that, it'll drive our
LIR fee's down.

Kind regards,
Martin List-Petersen
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