[members-discuss] Discuss Charging Scheme 2010

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hi!

Stupid question: 50 EUR / year / allocation -> ok

But in addition the billing score will grow as the PI / ASN assignments
in the past years only came into scoring once. Now they will be a
permanent scoring point, right?

Cheers,
Patrick

Am 19.06.2009 08:40, schrieb Hank Nussbacher:
> On Thu, 18 Jun 2009, Martin List-Petersen wrote:
> 
>> The product that the customer buys of the LIR should be giving more than
>> 50 EUR/year revenue, if not, you might not be in business for long.
>>
>> Honestly this discussion is pretty much about chump change in the bigger
>> scheme.
> 
> From today onward it makes total sense to charge 50 or even 200 Euro per
> allocation - at least then the LIR knows the cost, the end user knows
> the cost.
> 
>>
>> The ones that get hit are the ones that abused the PI scheme to not pay
>> for PA or RIPE membership. For everyone else it's pretty much something
>> that falls under the table. It's 4.17EUR/month per allocation. If you
>> don't make that kindda money of your PI customers on top of your cost,
>> your business isn't viable. And yeah .. you can just charge it on to
>> them or eat the cost. Latter wouldn't make a difference to the customer
>> as long as they are with you.
> 
> Here you hit the nail on the head.  Most ISPs will just pass the cost
> onward to the end user.  As you said - it is chump change.  And most of
> the 5000 LIR members don't even waste their manpower discussing this
> since the time spent is not worth the cost savings.
> 
> But not all LIRs are commercial ISPs - some are non-profits.  Back in
> the dark ages, before ISPs knew about multi-homing and BGP, ISOC-IL
> acted as a LIR and assigned ASNs to organizations needing multihoming in
> Israel. Dozens pre-1999.  ISOC-IL knew its RIPE membership fees and
> charged end users a one time fee for the allocations.  Only recently has
> the charging algorithm changed to include allocations dating back to 1992.
> 
> -Hank
> 

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