[members-discuss] Discuss Charging Scheme 2010

It is also worth noting that we were recently "chastised" by RIPE for  
charging a fee to our customers for additional IP addresses

The quote was something along the lines of "whilst we think the  
principal of charging for IP addresses to stop customers ordering more  
than they really need, the terms of the LIR agreement do not allow you  
to charge for IP addresses, and you should not do so"

So can we start to charge anyone / everyone for IP addresses now?

J

On 19 Jun 2009, at 00:34, Sven Olaf Kamphuis wrote:

>
>> If "natural person" want to - even pays.
>> Any bonuses worth the money.
>> Sometimes a lot of money. And I do not understand why someone  
>> should receive
>> ASN & PI free when I pay for the ASN and PA money.
>
> BECAUSE you do not pay for your ASN and PA space, you pay membership  
> fees
> for running a LOCAL INTERNET REGISTRY. (which gives you the  
> opportunity to
> register IP space for others), if you dont register IP space for  
> others,
> you should actually use PI space (and yes, for free).
>
> I see we have another one that fell for RIPEs jedi-mind trick trying  
> to
> sell everyone a LIR membership.
>
> keep in mind: customers with whom you expect to have a long-running
> relationship and which use your network should not be on PI space with
> their own AS in the first place, they should be on YOUR PA space.
>
> the sole purpose of having PI space -is- to distribute IP space in a
> REGULATED matter (the other option ofcourse is anarchy), without any
> running-contracts/payment relations with the registering party,  
> after all,
> its supposed to provide independance (I know some of our colleguas  
> like to
> force customers to stay their customer by just letting them grow and  
> grow
> until re-numbering becomes somewhat of a problem and then rip them
> off, and exactly -that- is why PI space is there, and why most smart
> customers insist on having PI space)...
>
> RIPE implementing a new policy for NEW registrations is totally  
> fine, no
> problems with that (besides the somewhat rediculous prices if they  
> choose
> to do business with ripe directly but that gives the LIRs the  
> opportunity
> to provide a discount) but you cannot force customers that were told  
> they
> only had to pay once that they now have to pay recurring.
>
>
> -- 
>
> Sven Olaf Kamphuis
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>
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> On Fri, 19 Jun 2009, Alexandr Tretyakov wrote:
>
>> Hi, Sven.
>>
>>> as for your "not making 50 euros a year" remark:
>>
>>> its potentially possible for a natural person to obtain pi space  
>>> and an AS
>>> number for his home network (provided he has that many equipment to
>>> cover the minimum announcable space of /24 ofcourse), we as a LIR  
>>> would
>>> not object to registering such, neither does RIPE.
>>
>> If "natural person" want to - even pays.
>> Any bonuses worth the money.
>> Sometimes a lot of money. And I do not understand why someone  
>> should receive
>> ASN & PI free when I pay for the ASN and PA money.
>>
>> --
>> Alexandr Tretyakov
>> ILCA ISP
>> http://www.ilca.ru
>> Tel +7 812 490-6014
>> Mob +7 812 928-8014
>>
>>
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>> X-CONTACT-FILTER-MATCH: "ripe.net"
>>
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