[members-discuss] Discuss Charging Scheme 2010

> If "natural person" want to - even pays.
> Any bonuses worth the money.
> Sometimes a lot of money. And I do not understand why someone should receive
> ASN & PI free when I pay for the ASN and PA money.

BECAUSE you do not pay for your ASN and PA space, you pay membership fees
for running a LOCAL INTERNET REGISTRY. (which gives you the opportunity to
register IP space for others), if you dont register IP space for others,
you should actually use PI space (and yes, for free).

I see we have another one that fell for RIPEs jedi-mind trick trying to
sell everyone a LIR membership.

keep in mind: customers with whom you expect to have a long-running
relationship and which use your network should not be on PI space with
their own AS in the first place, they should be on YOUR PA space.

the sole purpose of having PI space -is- to distribute IP space in a
REGULATED matter (the other option ofcourse is anarchy), without any
running-contracts/payment relations with the registering party, after all,
its supposed to provide independance (I know some of our colleguas like to
force customers to stay their customer by just letting them grow and grow
until re-numbering becomes somewhat of a problem and then rip them
off, and exactly -that- is why PI space is there, and why most smart
customers insist on having PI space)...

RIPE implementing a new policy for NEW registrations is totally fine, no
problems with that (besides the somewhat rediculous prices if they choose
to do business with ripe directly but that gives the LIRs the opportunity
to provide a discount) but you cannot force customers that were told they
only had to pay once that they now have to pay recurring.


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On Fri, 19 Jun 2009, Alexandr Tretyakov wrote:

> Hi, Sven.
>
> > as for your "not making 50 euros a year" remark:
>
> > its potentially possible for a natural person to obtain pi space and an AS
> > number for his home network (provided he has that many equipment to
> > cover the minimum announcable space of /24 ofcourse), we as a LIR would
> > not object to registering such, neither does RIPE.
>
> If "natural person" want to - even pays.
> Any bonuses worth the money.
> Sometimes a lot of money. And I do not understand why someone should receive
> ASN & PI free when I pay for the ASN and PA money.
>
> --
> Alexandr Tretyakov
> ILCA ISP
> http://www.ilca.ru
> Tel +7 812 490-6014
> Mob +7 812 928-8014
>
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