[members-discuss] Discuss Charging Scheme 2010

> Not every LIR is an ISP, a lot of them are. If you assign PI to somebody
> else, you have a provider/enduser relationship. That makes you a service
> provider of some sort. Be it internet, content or hosting.

no, you dont.

the customer usually asks to just register ip space and an AS number which
he then announces himself to transits of -his- choice.

if the customer happens to be in lets say russia it doesnt make much sense
to have their network announced in amsterdam or germany now does it..

thats the whole point of PI space in the first place, its PROVIDER
INDEPENDANT, from day 1.



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On Fri, 19 Jun 2009, Martin List-Petersen wrote:

> Sven Olaf Kamphuis wrote:
> >> The product that the customer buys of the LIR should be giving more than
> >> 50 EUR/year revenue, if not, you might not be in business for long.
> >
> > LIRS are NOT isps!
>
>
> Not every LIR is an ISP, a lot of them are. If you assign PI to somebody
> else, you have a provider/enduser relationship. That makes you a service
> provider of some sort. Be it internet, content or hosting.
>
>
> > the "product" bought from a LIR is the registration of IP space, usually
> > at at one-time single payment that covered the increase in the billing
> > score for 2 years if applicable and the administrative work.
> >
> > there are no "services" or "products" a LIR normally sells.
>
>
> You have to have a contractual relationship with the enduser that has PI
> now. You know that, right ?
>
>
> > and there also is no question of "circumventing ripe membership fees"
> > as those only apply to LIRs (that is, people willing to register IP space
> > for others).
>
> Or entities, that don't want to deal with a LIR.
>
>
> > the fact that -most- LIRs are part of an ISP or even some ASPs that fell
> > for ripes jedi-mind-trick and became a LIR themselves, doesnt mean they
> > HAVE to be part of an ISP.
>
> There are very few LIRs, that aren't providing some commercial product.
> And even then 50 EUR/year is compared to the money they probably pay for
> connectivity:
> near to nothing.
>
> Anyhow, this whole matter was also already raised at the GM.
>
> Kind regards,
> Martin List-Petersen
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>
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