[members-discuss] Re: [ncc-announce] Draft RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2010

Dear Jochem, Hello everybody,

As no more messages on the list, I can imagine holidays are now there :-)

If i may summarize my last email :

- Why are we using "billing categories" ?

It seems there are not useful to understand either the use of RIPE 
ressources or the quantities of services delivered to members.

I have added some more questions regarding your last link :
 >> ftp://ftp.ripe.net/pub/stats/ripencc/delegated-ripencc-latest
 >> This shows all the delegated resources from the RIPE NCC to its members.

If there is somewhere a FAQ regarding this file, please accept my 
apologises for these questions, i would read it first, but i didn't find 
any :

- Some dates (5th column) are set to 0 : what does it means ?

- A lot of ressources are assigned or allocated before 1993 and thus are 
not used for computing current TimedScore : why ?

- Would it be possible to ask RIPE NCC to add a column with the billing 
category, so anybody may compute the statistics ?

Thanks a lot,
Best regards,
Bernard Dugas


Bernard Dugas wrote:

> Dear Jochem,
> 
> Jochem de Ruig wrote:
> 
>>> Sorry, i may be unclear, i look for a table like this :
>>>
>>> Category    ExtraSmall Small Medium Large eXtraLarge
>>> N° of AS                             N° of 
>>> /19V4                             N° of 
>>> /20V4                             N° of 
>>> /21V4                             N° of 
>>> /22V4                             N° of 
>>> /30V6                             N° of 
>>> /31V6                             N° of 
>>> /32V6                             N° of 
>>> /33V6                             
>>
>>
>> I do not have a table like this available. The Charging Scheme is an
>> automated process and has as output mainly a score per registry. This
>> will require quite some manual work from our side. When this is very
>> relevant to discuss the Charging Scheme then this will be possible in
>> due time.
> 
> 
> I think this is very relevant to understand the current billing scheme 
> that is quite complicated from my beginner point of view :
> 
> What i understand is that there is a RessourceScore and a TimedScore :
> - RessourceScore is based on an arbitrary value corresponding to each 
> ressource allocated or assigned to a member ;
> - TimedScore is a value computed from each RessourceScore by taking into 
> account the age of the ressource allocation or assignation.
> 
> Then, there is another function that make a classification of the 
> members in 5 classes, that i imagine are carefully chosen by factors i 
> don't know currently.
> 
> But i don't forget that the basic goal of RIPE is to manage some scarce 
> resources that are IP adresses and ASNumbers.
> 
> So as i am told that this classification of members in 5 categories is 
> important, i would like to know how the ressources are used by these 5 
> categories.
> 
> I can also understand that categories are an artificial concept that is 
> not important at all, and that would be a good explanation why there is 
> currently no table showing use of ressources by categories.
> 
> But then i would ask myself why using categories in billing scheme if 
> they are not useful anywhere else ?
> 
>> May be you can find the answer to your question from the readily
>> information at:
>> ftp://ftp.ripe.net/pub/stats/ripencc/delegated-ripencc-latest
>> This shows all the delegated resources from the RIPE NCC to its members.
> 
> 
> Thanks a lot for this link.
> 
> This is interesting but miss the relationship side from each ressource 
> to the category.
> 
> Best regards,


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