AS number revokes

On Thu, Feb 28, 2002 at 02:51:38PM +0100, Sabrina Wilmot wrote:
> 
>  "Stephen Burley" <stephenb at uk.uu.net> writes:
>  * Thankyou. Where is this documented?
> 
> Hi Stephen,
> 
> Please have a look at document RIPE-185 
> "European Internet Registry Policies and Procedures,
>  http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ir-policies-procedures.html#toc75
> 
> [..]
> Technical Details 
> 
> Current assignment guidelines require a network to be multihomed 
> for an AS number to be assigned. When a registry applies for an ASN, 
> it needs to submit the routing policy of the Autonomous System that 
> requires an AS number. 
>  ...
> 
> 7.2.Returning an AS Number 
> 
>  If an oranisation has an AS number that is no longer in use, it can be 
> returned to the
>  public pool of AS numbers by sending a message to <hostmaster at ripe.net>, it
>  can then be re-assigned to another autonomous system by the RIPE NCC. 
> [..]

There is a considerable difference between "it can be returned" and "it must be returned".

The former is what RIPE-185 says, the latter is what the RIPE NCC seems to be
applying.

> 
> 
> By sending out messages asking if an AS number is in use (multihomed) or not
> the RIPE NCC makes sure this policy is applied. As mentioned in my previous 
> message if it turns out that an AS number appears not to be in use after being 
> assigned for almost a year (or more) the LIR should consider to return it.

I grant this, but there is a difference between considering the return of
the AS (which we should all do as good netizens), and the RIPE NCC forcing
its return.

Or am I completely off base?

Nigel

> 
> Regards,
> 
> Sabrina Wilmot  
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> 
>  * > Hi,
>  * >
>  * >  "Stephen Burley" <stephenb at uk.uu.net> writes:
>  * >  * Hi
>  * >  *     I am a bit concerned about an email we recieved threatening the
>  * >  * revokation of an assigned AS number if it did not appear to be used. It
>  * >  * concerns me for a number of reasons.
>  * >  *
>  * >  * 1. Our customer has had problems with other providers and there own
>  * network,
>  * >  * which has postponed the intended use of the AS for quite a few month,
>  * all
>  * >  * due to things out of their and our control.
>  * >
>  * > This can always happen and we do ask several times for information before
>  * > mentioning the option of returning an assigned AS number which appears not
>  * > to be in use. The first time we ask is 6 months after the assignment.
>  * >
>  * >  * 2. If you do revoke it then the customer may suddenly get things fixed
>  * and
>  * >  * start using the AS as intended but in the meantime you assign it to
>  * another
>  * >  * customer and the problems ensue. If you do not assign it why whould you
>  * ask
>  * >  * for it back?
>  * >
>  * > If you do not use it why should you keep it? :)
>  * > Our intention is to make sure AS numbers are used and not wasted.
>  * >
>  * > We send several reminders asking about the status and this process is
>  * > taking a couple of months. If you are not able to start using the AS
>  * > number after a long time we ask you to return it. To date the RIPE NCC
>  * > Hostmasters could always find an agreement with the LIRs to return AS
>  * > numbers that appeared not to be in use.
>  * >
>  * > We do reassign returned AS numbers *not* straight away but after a certain
>  * > time period ("sleeping time") and ...
>  * >
>  * >  * 3. Just because an AS does not appear in the looking glass does not
>  * mean
>  * >  * that its not being used in situation which does not mean it does not
>  * need to
>  * >  * be announced at any looking glass.
>  * >
>  * > ... we do not only use the Looiking Glass to find the number of peers. We
>  * look
>  * > back in time at least on several days using 'asiuse' - publicly know as
>  * the
>  * > RIS Database, from New Projects.
>  * >
>  * >  * Please could you clarify this situation?
>  * >  *
>  * >  * Regards
>  * >  * Stephen Burley
>  * >  * UUNET EMEA Hostmaster
>  * >  * SB855-RIPE
>  * >  *
>  * >
>  * >
>  * > Regards,
>  * >
>  * > Sabrina Wilmot
>  * >
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>  * >
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>  * > | Sabrina Wilmot          sabrina at ripe.net |
>  * > | Registration Services Operations Manager |
>  * > |                                          |
>  * > | RIPE NCC             tel +31 20 535 4444 |
>  * > | www.ripe.net         fax +31 20 535 4445 |
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>  * >
>  * >
>  * 
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