AS number revokes

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nigel Titley" <nigel at packetexchange.net>
To: <ncc at ripe.net>
Cc: "Stephen Burley" <stephenb at uk.uu.net>; <lir-wg at ripe.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: AS number revokes


> On Thu, Feb 28, 2002 at 02:51:38PM +0100, Sabrina Wilmot wrote:
> >
> >  "Stephen Burley" <stephenb at uk.uu.net> writes:
> >  * Thankyou. Where is this documented?
> >
> > Hi Stephen,
> >
> > Please have a look at document RIPE-185
> > "European Internet Registry Policies and Procedures,
> >  http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ir-policies-procedures.html#toc75
> >
> > [..]
> > Technical Details
> >
> > Current assignment guidelines require a network to be multihomed
> > for an AS number to be assigned. When a registry applies for an ASN,
> > it needs to submit the routing policy of the Autonomous System that
> > requires an AS number.
> >  ...
> >
> > 7.2.Returning an AS Number
> >
> >  If an oranisation has an AS number that is no longer in use, it can be
> > returned to the
> >  public pool of AS numbers by sending a message to
<hostmaster at ripe.net>, it
> >  can then be re-assigned to another autonomous system by the RIPE NCC.
> > [..]
>
> There is a considerable difference between "it can be returned" and "it
must be returned".
>
> The former is what RIPE-185 says, the latter is what the RIPE NCC seems to
be
> applying.
>
> >
> >
> > By sending out messages asking if an AS number is in use (multihomed) or
not
> > the RIPE NCC makes sure this policy is applied. As mentioned in my
previous
> > message if it turns out that an AS number appears not to be in use after
being
> > assigned for almost a year (or more) the LIR should consider to return
it.
>
> I grant this, but there is a difference between considering the return of
> the AS (which we should all do as good netizens), and the RIPE NCC forcing
> its return.

Agreed this was what i was looking for in the documentation and it is not
there.


>
> Or am I completely off base?
>
> Nigel
>
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Sabrina Wilmot
> > --
> >
> > o------------------------------------------o
> > | Sabrina Wilmot          sabrina at ripe.net |
> > | Registration Services Operations Manager |
> > |                                          |
> > | RIPE NCC             tel +31 20 535 4444 |
> > | www.ripe.net         fax +31 20 535 4445 |
> > o------------------------------------------o
> >
> >
> >  * > Hi,
> >  * >
> >  * >  "Stephen Burley" <stephenb at uk.uu.net> writes:
> >  * >  * Hi
> >  * >  *     I am a bit concerned about an email we recieved threatening
the
> >  * >  * revokation of an assigned AS number if it did not appear to be
used. It
> >  * >  * concerns me for a number of reasons.
> >  * >  *
> >  * >  * 1. Our customer has had problems with other providers and there
own
> >  * network,
> >  * >  * which has postponed the intended use of the AS for quite a few
month,
> >  * all
> >  * >  * due to things out of their and our control.
> >  * >
> >  * > This can always happen and we do ask several times for information
before
> >  * > mentioning the option of returning an assigned AS number which
appears not
> >  * > to be in use. The first time we ask is 6 months after the
assignment.
> >  * >
> >  * >  * 2. If you do revoke it then the customer may suddenly get things
fixed
> >  * and
> >  * >  * start using the AS as intended but in the meantime you assign it
to
> >  * another
> >  * >  * customer and the problems ensue. If you do not assign it why
whould you
> >  * ask
> >  * >  * for it back?
> >  * >
> >  * > If you do not use it why should you keep it? :)
> >  * > Our intention is to make sure AS numbers are used and not wasted.
> >  * >
> >  * > We send several reminders asking about the status and this process
is
> >  * > taking a couple of months. If you are not able to start using the
AS
> >  * > number after a long time we ask you to return it. To date the RIPE
NCC
> >  * > Hostmasters could always find an agreement with the LIRs to return
AS
> >  * > numbers that appeared not to be in use.
> >  * >
> >  * > We do reassign returned AS numbers *not* straight away but after a
certain
> >  * > time period ("sleeping time") and ...
> >  * >
> >  * >  * 3. Just because an AS does not appear in the looking glass does
not
> >  * mean
> >  * >  * that its not being used in situation which does not mean it does
not
> >  * need to
> >  * >  * be announced at any looking glass.
> >  * >
> >  * > ... we do not only use the Looiking Glass to find the number of
peers. We
> >  * look
> >  * > back in time at least on several days using 'asiuse' - publicly
know as
> >  * the
> >  * > RIS Database, from New Projects.
> >  * >
> >  * >  * Please could you clarify this situation?
> >  * >  *
> >  * >  * Regards
> >  * >  * Stephen Burley
> >  * >  * UUNET EMEA Hostmaster
> >  * >  * SB855-RIPE
> >  * >  *
> >  * >
> >  * >
> >  * > Regards,
> >  * >
> >  * > Sabrina Wilmot
> >  * >
> >  * > --
> >  * >
> >  * > o------------------------------------------o
> >  * > | Sabrina Wilmot          sabrina at ripe.net |
> >  * > | Registration Services Operations Manager |
> >  * > |                                          |
> >  * > | RIPE NCC             tel +31 20 535 4444 |
> >  * > | www.ripe.net         fax +31 20 535 4445 |
> >  * > o------------------------------------------o
> >  * >
> >  * >
> >  *
> >
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