[lir-wg] DNSSEC training WHY?

Community outreach and education is part of stewardship.  Making
sure members are knowledgeable about technical issues, allows them
to help form better policies.

In the ARIN region, the members recently agreed that training
was useful, valuable and they supported it as a good use
of time and money.

I'm glad to see the RIR's providing this service.  It fosters
better involvement and, ummm,  NET working, which is better
than NOT working :)

john brown
speaking for himself

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-lir-wg at ripe.net [mailto:owner-lir-wg at ripe.net] On 
> Behalf Of Stephen Burley
> Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 6:54 AM
> To: Pim van Pelt; Hank Nussbacher
> Cc: local-lir at ripe.net; Lir-Wg at Ripe.Net
> Subject: Re: [lir-wg] DNSSEC training WHY?
> 
> 
>     I agree with Hank, the NCC is not there to educate the 
> community in protocols and applications that is the express 
> responsibility of the companies involved. If you are going to 
> start training this kind of thing is should be at the very 
> least on a subscription basis. I for one do not want to fund 
> the education of the entire ripe community. I feel this is 
> wrong, it is not part of our service agreement which is what 
> we pay for, much the same as the test traffic white elephant 
> we funded for years. If the RIPE community feels it needs an 
> internationally run training organisation then maybe the NCC 
> can organise this. The community is not an educational 
> charity, the NCC is not there to help those to learn what the 
> rest already know through hard work and research.
>     Please do not get me wrong I am not against the reason 
> behind the education initiative I am against you using our 
> money to do this, I would prefer to see the money better 
> spent on things we need, like better applications, smaller 
> wait queues, automation to name but a few. The NCC does do a 
> good job of educating the community in NCC interaction which 
> is right and proper use of funds, DNSSEC courses are not.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Stephen Burley
> WorldCom EMEA Hostmaster
> SB855-RIPE
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hank Nussbacher" <hank at att.net.il>
> To: "Pim van Pelt" <pim at bit.nl>; "Stephen Burley" <stephenb at uk.uu.net>
> Cc: <local-lir at ripe.net>; "Lir-Wg at Ripe.Net" <lir-wg at ripe.net>
> Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 12:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [lir-wg] DNSSEC training WHY?
> 
> 
> > At 01:28 PM 15-08-02 +0200, Pim van Pelt wrote:
> > >On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 12:08:34PM +0100, Stephen Burley wrote:
> > >| Hi
> > >|     Could someone please tell me WHY we are running free training
> courses
> > >| for DNS? Training how to interact with the NCC and DB i 
> understand, 
> > >| but
> dns
> > >| i do not. Who made the descision to implement this training and 
> > >| what
> grounds
> > >| are there for doing this?
> > >
> > >As a former student in one of the DNSSEC courses (actually, I have 
> > >also given one with Olaf Kolkman) I very much welcome the 
> active role 
> > >of the RIPE folk educating the community with new technological 
> > >features which might be otherwise implemented/deployed in a wrong 
> > >way.
> > >
> > >I think it is a goal of RIPE to enhance the exchange of 
> expertise and 
> > >see them in an educating role for their service region.
> >
> > Then why not give free courses on multicast, MPLS, or XML?
> >
> >
> > >I must add though, that this course is not a DNS course. It aims 
> > >specifically at deploying DNSSec, rolling over keys, signing zones 
> > >and what you can expect with the (until so far) not so well 
> > >documented software available on the marketplace today.
> > >
> > >May I ask what exactly is your problem with this type of 
> education ?
> >
> > By giving free courses, RIPE is using its member fees to subsidize 
> > functions that are not in its main charter of business.
> >
> > -Hank
> >
> >
> > >Perhaps it is tie that RIPE takes part in more training/education 
> > >aspects such as IPv6 deployment.
> > >
> > >groet
> > >Pim
> > >
> > >
> > >--
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> > >Met vriendelijke groet,     /\ ___/
> > >Pim van Pelt               /- \ _/  Business Internet Trends BV
> > >PBVP1-RIPE                /--- \/            __________________
> >
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