[lir-wg] DNSSEC training WHY?

    I agree with Hank, the NCC is not there to educate the community in
protocols and applications that is the express responsibility of the
companies involved. If you are going to start training this kind of thing is
should be at the very least on a subscription basis. I for one do not want
to fund the education of the entire ripe community. I feel this is wrong, it
is not part of our service agreement which is what we pay for, much the same
as the test traffic white elephant we funded for years. If the RIPE
community feels it needs an internationally run training organisation then
maybe the NCC can organise this. The community is not an educational
charity, the NCC is not there to help those to learn what the rest already
know through hard work and research.
    Please do not get me wrong I am not against the reason behind the
education initiative I am against you using our money to do this, I would
prefer to see the money better spent on things we need, like better
applications, smaller wait queues, automation to name but a few. The NCC
does do a good job of educating the community in NCC interaction which is
right and proper use of funds, DNSSEC courses are not.

Regards,

Stephen Burley
WorldCom EMEA Hostmaster
SB855-RIPE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hank Nussbacher" <hank at att.net.il>
To: "Pim van Pelt" <pim at bit.nl>; "Stephen Burley" <stephenb at uk.uu.net>
Cc: <local-lir at ripe.net>; "Lir-Wg at Ripe.Net" <lir-wg at ripe.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: [lir-wg] DNSSEC training WHY?


> At 01:28 PM 15-08-02 +0200, Pim van Pelt wrote:
> >On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 12:08:34PM +0100, Stephen Burley wrote:
> >| Hi
> >|     Could someone please tell me WHY we are running free training
courses
> >| for DNS? Training how to interact with the NCC and DB i understand, but
dns
> >| i do not. Who made the descision to implement this training and what
grounds
> >| are there for doing this?
> >
> >As a former student in one of the DNSSEC courses (actually, I have also
> >given one with Olaf Kolkman) I very much welcome the active role of the
> >RIPE folk educating the community with new technological features which
> >might be otherwise implemented/deployed in a wrong way.
> >
> >I think it is a goal of RIPE to enhance the exchange of expertise and
> >see them in an educating role for their service region.
>
> Then why not give free courses on multicast, MPLS, or XML?
>
>
> >I must add though, that this course is not a DNS course. It aims
> >specifically at deploying DNSSec, rolling over keys, signing zones and
> >what you can expect with the (until so far) not so well documented
> >software available on the marketplace today.
> >
> >May I ask what exactly is your problem with this type of education ?
>
> By giving free courses, RIPE is using its member fees to subsidize
> functions that are not in its main charter of business.
>
> -Hank
>
>
> >Perhaps it is tie that RIPE takes part in more training/education
> >aspects such as IPv6 deployment.
> >
> >groet
> >Pim
> >
> >
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