[ripe-167] Impressions brought from Moscow meeting

>>>>> "V" == Vladimir Lebedev <wal at rtsnet.ru> writes:
V> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 12:51:55 +0300
V> To: lir-wg at ripe.net
V> Cc: joker at rtsnet.ru, ant at rtsnet.ru, igor at rtsnet.ru

V> Alexei Platonov wrote:

>> According to Sergey Gulchuck:
>> >
>> > > Many people of ex-USSR countries speak Russian and ( for now ) not so
>> > > many speak English ( alas! ). Thus language selection matters something too.
>> >
>> >    I'm wondering why Moscovites try to decide something for other people.
>> ^^^^^^^^^^
>> This is the English translation for "Moskali" ?
>> 
>> May be we shall stop this discussion which is interesting for just a few people
>> from the list? The Ukrainian ISPs introduced their coordinated decision
>> and in fact you have nothing to add. Or may be you have too much free time ?

V> Looking at the large number of replies on the [ripe-167] topic I think that number
V> of people who interested in this discussion is not just "few". Moreover, in this
V> discussion participating peolple not only from CIS countries, but all over the
V> Europe.

V> I'm looking at the discussion and it reminds me a situation in FidoNet at the early
V> 90th. There was a try to separate CIS countries netwokrs from Europe! Our
V> "independent" Moscow's guys wanted to create Zone 7 for CIS, independend from Zone 2
V> (Europe) with own Zone Coordinator and all other attributes of power, for example
V> rights to assign Fido network numbers for geographical regions. Formal reasons was
V> absolutely the same: language issues, time zone difference etc., etc. Thanks God,
V> that "coup" was unseccussful.

V> Now the history repeating, but at this time with Internet. I hope the finish of the
V> story will be the same.


Well, history never repeats the same exactly. Just something in common with the
past; often appearance but not the actual reasons.

Yes, there seems to be something in common here. Far not everything, however.

First, now we ( ISPs ) have a pretty simple dilemma: A) we ( I mean the
Association ) takes the control or B) our government does it.
Do you need any more comments ?

V> I want to make clear for the audience the real reason of this "independance
V> movement": MONOPOLIZATION OF IP NETWORK ADDRESSES ASSIGNMENT IN RUSSIA AND OTHER CIS
V> COUNTRIES BY ROSNIIROS (RIPN).
V> RIPN had already monopolized the domain name delegation under ".ru", and the only
V> thing this they doesn't hove at this time is control under the network addresses.

Nope. Here you are wrong. RIPN had monopolized RU. Internic had monopolized
COM, NET, ORG and EDU. RIPE had monopolized a big block of IP address space.
God had monopolized the Universe. How far it is possible to get thinking that way ?

V> If they receive this control, can you imagine the amount of money that will be
V> "informally" squezeed from russian LIR's for the good relationship from the RIPN
V> side? I can.

It always was a favorite habit of some kind of people -- to dream about
money in a neighbour's pocket. Was that an argument?

Anyway, not so much money as you can imagine. And rather earned, not "squeezed".

How about thinking for "If I were Bill Gates..."? Or it is better first
to learn something about matters before speaking of them?

V> Vladimir.



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