[ripe-167] Impressions brought from Moscow meeting

Hello all,

On Wed, 18 Feb 1998, Igor Romanenko wrote:

[...]
> 1. The process of creating the new RIR should be suspended since it's not
>    obvious what will be created and why.
> 2. Another document should be issued with much more solid motivation
>    (if you have it) and the document should clearly state how the intended
>    process of transition would work, what region will be served, etc.
> 3. The new document should be discussed then.

	That's exactly what I was proposing. Thanks to you Igor for
	better formal explanation.

> If all you've said during this discussion w.r.t. your intentions holds true,
> then you should clearly see this approach as advantegeous.

	Yes, this approach *is* advantageous! I beleive that
	the very best intentions were the only background of ripe-167;
	but this fact remained unclear and unexplained in details.

	The latter approach will allow to make everything clear, explained
	and obvious -- thus better probability of painless adoption
	of the proposal by the community.

[...]
> The discussion surely _will_ continue to infinity if you do not have
> well-motivated, well-argumented proposals with clearly stated purpose
> and with support from the majority of LIRs situated in every country/territory
> you want to serve. If you cannot get support - do not include the territory.
> If your motivation is not accepted by the community you want to serve -
> you have wrong motivation.

	Yes, that's it.  It would be nice to hear comments on
	this last paragraph of Igor's notes from other readers
	of the list -- I think either Igor's approach is correct here,
	or I have a fundamentally wrong understanding of the decision
	process in RIPE.  Thanks in advanse.

> Would you like to start _practical_ work
> without clear understanding of the tasks you want to carry out,
> without clear understanding of whom do you serve and what are advantages
> of being served by you? If so, then the professional level of the new
> RIR (or RIPE NCC Office in Moscow for that matter) would seem to be... low.

[... a question to Alexei Platonov: ...]
> So, in a nutshell, you want to say the following:
> "I am serving some 50 LIRs now for free. I want to get money for my service.
> Currently my service is bad but as you pay me money, it will become
> more appropriate. Take my word for it. Now, since I want to establish
> the RIR, I need to indicate the region. I'm serving several LIRs from abroad
> Russia, so let the region be FSU. And no, I do not have good arguments for
> why the RIR should be created except we need money badly to increase the
> level of service. But see guys - I'm honest! Take my vows for it!"
> 
> Right?

	It looks like this is pretty close to truth... comments?

Best regards,
Andrew Stesin

nic-hdl: ST73-RIPE