[ipv6-wg] Have we failed as IPv6 Working Group?

On Fri, 4 Oct 2019, Michel Py wrote:

> Hi Carlos,
>
>> Carlos Friaças wrote :
>> We have to acknowledge "IPv6 zealots" are real.
>> Disclaimer: i think i was part of that group some years ago.
>
> Indeed, and so was I. WAS.
>
>
>> But Mr.Rey's reference about IPv6 deployment rates also makes a good point!
>
> Nobody cares about deployment rates. What good does it do, if people don't use it ?
> This is more realistic : https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html
> During the week, we are below 25%.

So...?
Things move slowly, but they are moving.
IPv6 in terms of volume is still a long way behind IPv4.


>> We also have to acknowledge "IPv4 zealots" are real.
>
> And they are the ones with the money. The lobbyists. The connections. The banana peels. The 75% market share.
> The IPv4 zealots have not always been there; they have been created as a reaction to the nonsense of the IPv6 zealots.

Admitting that "zealotism" is not a got thing might be a good 1st step.


> IPv6 replacing IPv4 is a delusion.

Same can be said about the oil-driven economy, however...



> 3 months ago, I turned DECNET off on my network. It was actually not 
> even an IT/network decision; customer decided they were done with a 
> product, and we de-commissioned the tools with DECNET. Business 
> decision. We run OS/2 Warp, MS-DOS, Windows 95, HPUX, Solaris, Windows 
> 2000, and I probably forget some.

So, hardly any IPv6 there :-)


> In 20 years, I will still need IPv4.

Sure, if IPv6 doesn't become dominant.


> And I have enough IPv4 on my hands for the foreseeable future. I bought some recently, just in case.

The "foreseeable future" is also a bit uncertain :-) If a new project 
pops up that will need 10x the public address space you have... good luck. 
But yes, a thick wallet might solve it...

Cheers,
Carlos


> I encourage the WG group to read this :
> https://www.internetgovernance.org/2019/02/20/report-on-ipv6-get-ready-for-a-mixed-internet-world/
> And the full text :
> https://www.internetgovernance.org/wp-content/uploads/IPv6-Migration-Study-final-report.pdf
> Serious work, paid by ICANN.
>
> Michel.
>
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