[iot-discussion] What role does the SP play in protecting consumers re IoT?

Hello all of you,

Interesting thoughts. I made me think.

Jim Reid wrote:
> Probably. For one thing, the toaster in your house wouldn’t be the only device/link that could be used to pay your taxes. Other household appliances are available. :-) And there should be plenty of coffee shops with wifi and the like who could shift those tax-paying bits for you too.
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>>> Oh and if your hacked toaster was damaging my interwebs, I’d *want* your ISP to pull the plug.
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>> Agree, but it would be nice if you can just disconnect my toaster and leave my bank account, air conditioning and wine fridge in a working state :)
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> OTOH if all these things got switched off, I'd have your undivided attention and you’d have have a very strong incentive to get that broken toaster fixed. :-)

But how do I buy a new toaster or how do I get advice without Internet. 
I am against the blocking of connections. Water or electricity are 
utilities that can't be block by the provider (and internet connectivity 
looks to go in that direction also)
<says someone who does not have a smart/mobile phone>

We had once the idea of an Internet driving license (but that was in the 
past when governments had the idea to be able to control access). I see 
the Internet as the road system.
But the aspect of MOT is something I had not realised earlier. So a new 
point for me.

So perhaps we need stricter protocols/rules before putting something on 
the market that needs to be connected. So a better conformance test 
(even when the devices gets a new software version!). A little like drug 
testing....

Of course we have misuse of the roads (like we see with these trucks 
driving around into place that they should not!). So how do we guard us 
from such things on the Internet?
The electricity network has a customer managed fuse (perhaps the water 
systems also has something like that), do we need a proper NTE in the 
Internet?

But the road system/provider is not really checking minute by minute if 
someone has MOT! So should the Internet Service provider do that?


Interesting discussion, before the e-mails had not thought of this MOT 
idea, so that is new for my mind;-) Thanks for this new thought, but in 
some way I don't like that the ISP has to do these real-time checks.
I think an ISP has the obligation to educate their user (together with 
the state, the family, etc.).
So not finished with my thinking!!!

All the best,


Victor






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