AW: [DENICenum-l] data point - anonymous E.164 number usage

["Lothar Reith" <]

Title: AW: [DENICenum-l] data point - anonymous E.164 number usage

Hallo Frau Dolderer,

ich glaube nicht, dass ihre Aussage korrekt ist / I do not think that your following statement is correct:

Your wrote:
"interestingly in Germany the federal administartive court has decided in October 2003 that the storage of customer data for prepaid customers is illegal."

"Rather, I beleive the federal administartive court has decided in October 2003 that it is not illegal not to store customer data for prepaid customers."

Also, m.E. hat das Gericht entschieden, dass es nicht illegal ist, keine Kundendaten für Prepaid-Kunden zu erheben. Das ist etwas anderes, als zu behaupten, die Mobilfunknetzbetreiber würden etwas illegales tun.

Lothar Reith
Nortel Networks Germany

Hahnstr. 37-39
60528 Frankfurt
Tel: +49 69 6697 1304

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: owner-enum-l@localhost [mailto:owner-enum-l@localhost] Im Auftrag von Sabine Dolderer/Denic
Gesendet: Freitag, 27. Februar 2004 10:19
An: Michael Haberler
Cc: enum-l@localhost enum-trial@localhost enum-trials@localhost
Betreff: Re: [DENICenum-l] data point - anonymous E.164 number usage

Hello Michael,

On 26.02.2004 20:39 Michael Haberler mah@localhost wrote:
>
> In the context of validation of numbers for ENUM, I have tried to
estimate
the
> amount of mobile users which have totally anonymously bought a prepaid
SIM
> card, or in other words, users of E.164 numbers which have no trace at
all in
a
> phonebook or other records.
>
> In the EU, all countries except Germany, Hungary and Italy permit
> totally

> anonymous purchase of prepaid SIM cards.

interestingly in Germany the federal administartive court has decided in October 2003 that the storage of customer data for prepaid customers is illegal. More on this issue (in German only)

http://www.heise.de/newsticker/result.xhtml?url="">
http://www.bundesverwaltungsgericht.de/enid/90e62907f60c347c9d760c10ae10426f,0976e07365617263685f646973706c6179436f6e7461696e6572092d0933353031/8o.html

> This indicates that about 65% of the
> EU population have access to anonymous mobile service (even in Italy,
just a
> taxpayer code is needed which is not subscriber data but allows to
> track
down
a
> user for law enforcement - but lets leave that out for the sake of
argument;
in
> France I understand a record is made for purposes of recovering a lost
SIM
card
> but not for proof of identity).
>
> There are about 400 Million mobile users in Europe, and penetration of
prepaid
> is about 40%. Assuming that nobody registers if he doesnt have to, and
> multiplying those figures a ballpark estimate is that there are about
> 100

> Million E.164 numbers in use in Europe without any subscriber data
> just
through
> the use of prepaid SIM cards.
>
> -Michael
>
>
>
>
Viele Grüße
Sabine Dolderer

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