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Re: AW: [DENICenum-l] data point - anonymous E.164 number usage






Hello Mr. Reith,

actually I am not a laywer an basically you are correct that it was a mobil
company filed the lawsuit but the justification of the court which reads

"Nach Auffassung des zust�ndigen 6. Senats sind sie nach den bisher
geltenden Vorschriften anders zu behandeln als die Verbraucher, die sich
mit einem Vertrag an einen Mobilfunkanbieter binden. Eine Verpflichtung der
Betreiber, auch f�r sie eine Kundendatei zu f�hren, verst��t nach
Auffassung des Senats gegen das in der Verfassung garantierte Recht des
Kunden auf informationelle Selbstbestimmung."

reads in my (not jurisdical founded) opinion that the storage of the data
by a mobil phone operater violates basic rights of the customer.

Sabine

On 27.02.2004 10:32 "Lothar Reith" <lothar.reith@localhost wrote:
>
>
>
> Hallo Frau Dolderer,
>
> ich glaube nicht, dass ihre Aussage korrekt ist / I do not think that
your
> following statement is correct:
>
> Your wrote:
> "interestingly in Germany the federal administartive court has decided in

> October 2003 that the storage of customer data for prepaid customers is
> illegal."
>
> "Rather, I beleive the federal administartive court has decided in
October
2003
> that it is not illegal not to store customer data for prepaid customers."

>
> Also, m.E. hat das Gericht entschieden, dass es nicht illegal ist, keine
> Kundendaten f�r Prepaid-Kunden zu erheben. Das ist etwas anderes, als zu
> behaupten, die Mobilfunknetzbetreiber w�rden etwas illegales tun.
>
> Lothar Reith
> Nortel Networks Germany
>
> Hahnstr. 37-39
> 60528 Frankfurt
> Tel: +49 69 6697 1304
>
>
> -----Urspr�ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: owner-enum-l@localhost [
] Im Auftrag von Sabine > Dolderer/Denic > Gesendet: Freitag, 27. Februar 2004 10:19 > An: Michael Haberler > Cc: enum-l@localhost enum-trial@localhost enum-trials@localhost > Betreff: Re: [DENICenum-l] data point - anonymous E.164 number usage > > > > > > > Hello Michael, > > On 26.02.2004 20:39 Michael Haberler mah@localhost wrote: > > > > In the context of validation of numbers for ENUM, I have tried to > estimate > the > > amount of mobile users which have totally anonymously bought a prepaid > SIM > > card, or in other words, users of E.164 numbers which have no trace at > all in > a > > phonebook or other records. > > > > In the EU, all countries except Germany, Hungary and Italy permit > > totally > > > anonymous purchase of prepaid SIM cards. > > interestingly in Germany the federal administartive court has decided in > October 2003 that the storage of customer data for prepaid customers is > illegal. More on this issue (in German only) > > http://www.heise.de/newsticker/result.xhtml?url=/newsticker/meldung/41304&words= > Vodafone%20Prepaid > http://www.bundesverwaltungsgericht.de/enid/90e62907f60c347c9d760c10ae10426f,097 > 6e07365617263685f646973706c6179436f6e7461696e6572092d0933353031/8o.html > > > This indicates that about 65% of the > > EU population have access to anonymous mobile service (even in Italy, > just a > > taxpayer code is needed which is not subscriber data but allows to > > track > down > a > > user for law enforcement - but lets leave that out for the sake of > argument; > in > > France I understand a record is made for purposes of recovering a lost > SIM > card > > but not for proof of identity). > > > > There are about 400 Million mobile users in Europe, and penetration of > prepaid > > is about 40%. Assuming that nobody registers if he doesnt have to, and > > multiplying those figures a ballpark estimate is that there are about > > 100 > > > Million E.164 numbers in use in Europe without any subscriber data > > just > through > > the use of prepaid SIM cards. > > > > -Michael > > > > > > > > > Viele Gr��e > Sabine Dolderer > > -- > Sabine� Dolderer > DENIC eG > Wiesenh�ttenplatz 26 > D-60329 Frankfurt > > eMail: Sabine.Dolderer@localhost > Fon: +49 69 27235 0 > Fax: +49 69 27235 235 > > Viele Gr��e Sabine Dolderer -- Sabine Dolderer DENIC eG Wiesenh�ttenplatz 26 D-60329 Frankfurt eMail: Sabine.Dolderer@localhost Fon: +49 69 27235 0 Fax: +49 69 27235 235

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