Re: Re: ENUM trials in general

["Sabine Dolderer/Denic" <]

Michael,

On 24.02.2003 20:45 Michael Haberler mah@localhost wrote:
>
> Carsten,
>
> I do not understand the outcome of this consultation with the IAB.
>
> There is a trial. There are fragmented directories underneath the country
> code spaces. Running some directory associated with a domain is a standard
> practice. There is a need for an interim directory - even I would like to
> try interoperability outside my +43 backyard without plowing through
> assorted websites. It is useful to exercise the collation of a larger
> directory, or take a stab at building a distributed directory in the first
> place. Everybody registering at this stage clearly knows that he cant claim
> innocence (mostly not even incompetence :-) on the privacy implications of
> the current state of technology. Everywhere the regulators are at least in
> the loop, or driving the trials. I for my part (interim 3.4.e164.arpa
> registry) cannot observe any lack of visibility and attention by our
> regulator, telcos, data protection paranoia usual suspects etc.
>
> I would like the person shooting down such a useful idea to come a
> concrete, workable and timely alternative.
>
> Can I suggest you RIPE guys give this issue a second try in explaining the
> issue to the IAB ?

I have some understanding about the position of the IAB and RIPE NCC according to that issue, as a database whith personel
information whenever you create it can cause problems with dataprivacy, correctness et al. I would rather suggest that we asked the
RIPE NCC to provide the information whether and where each national trial has this information or if you use the mnt-lower-structure
and the whois you altready get the information where possible.


domain:       9.4.e164.arpa
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descr:        Wiesenhuettenplatz 26
descr:        D-60329 Frankfurt/Main
descr:        Germany
admin-c:      SD24
tech-c:       OPS1
zone-c:       OPS1
notify:       ops@localhost
nserver:      enum1.denic.de
nserver:      enum2.denic.de
nserver:      enum3.denic.de
remarks:      Website: http://www.denic.de
remarks:      Email: info@localhost
mnt-by:       DE-DOM
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changed:      hostmaster@localhost 20020521
source:       RIPE

Sabine

>
> thanks,
>
> -Michael
>
> ps: I dont fully grasp the rationale for the involvement of the IAB in such
> a IMV tactical development support question in the first place. Define it
> as trial support and go ahead.
>
> This might also be the opportunity to show SRV records at work with a
> useful job.
>
>
> At 15:32 20.02.2003 +0100, Carsten Schiefner wrote:
>
> >Richard, Marco -
> >
> >Richard Shockey wrote:
> > >At 09:24 AM 1/12/2003 +0000, Marco Bernardi wrote:
> > >> I think running such a directory  implies some responsibilities. We
> > >> don't want any misuse/abuse.  All this must be done in responsible
> > >> way and by a responsible organization. It seems to me that  it can be
> > >> the perfect job for Ripe (Carsten -  sorry for putting  you on the
> > >> spot...)
> > >
> > > I have to agree RIPE would be perfect as the administrator of the root
> > > .... but I also think this is very very simple and not too much real
> > > work
> > >
> > > the only data collected would be
> > >
> > > User Name
> > > email address
> > > e164 number
> > >
> > > that can periodically generate a text file test participants can use
> >
> >After considering the issue with IAB - the RIPE NCC is operating the Tier0
> >registry on behalf of the IAB - we came to the conclusion that the RIPE
> >NCC shall refrain from offering such an even only temporary ENUM directory
> >service to the community, as such a service would be better carried out by
> >a different entity to preserve a clear understanding of responsibilities
> >in the Internet community.
> >Also the effects of such a temporary directory relating to the longer term
> >issue of ENUM directories and associated privacy and regulatory issues are
> >not fully explored yet and need more consideration.
> >
> >Thanks for your understanding - best,
> >
> >         -C.
> >
> >
>
>
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DENIC eG
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D-60329 Frankfurt

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