[diversity] LT @ RIPE78

Sasha,

Thank you for the wisdom!

Yes, I would very much agree (unsurprisingly!) that if this happens the answer is that every report is handled on its details and nuances.

It hasn't really happened to me in the past when we've brought in versions of this, but this is a lot bigger, so it may well crop up.

Thanks again,

Brian

Brian Nisbet
Service Operations Manager
HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network
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From: diversity <diversity-bounces at ripe.net> on behalf of Sasha Romijn <sasha at mxsasha.eu>
Sent: Monday 20 May 2019 09:39
To: diversity at ripe.net
Subject: Re: [diversity] LT @ RIPE78

Hi,

I think this is a good path. Which mailing list btw, ripe-list I presume?

People may try to trick you at the meeting by describing fictional CoC incidents
and asking what you think the response should be. It’s fairly easy to come up
with fictional situations where the decision making is actually very difficult, but in
practice, most incidents are fairly easy to decide on. In the CoC teams I’ve been
on, it’s extremely rare for us to disagree wildly, because most reports are just
fairly easy to make decisions on.

In general, I am very cautious with saying how I think a described fictional
incident should be handled, because in practice there is almost always additional
context, nuance and/or history, that impacts decisions. And people asking these
kind of questions are not always acting in good faith, and may be trying to lure you
into an inconsistency now or later. The CoC intentionally does not say “in case of
incident X, the response should be Y”, because every report is different.

Sasha

> On 17 May 2019, at 12:13, Brian Nisbet <brian.nisbet at heanet.ie> wrote:
>
> Amanda,
>
> Thanks.
>
> So, because my time (like everyone else's!) is limited before the meeting...
>
> I can propose an LT saying "Hey, so, we have a new draft CoC, aiming to improve all this good stuff and have a team to do things (stuff and things, very important!) and we'll be sharing it with the mailing list but the core principles are <foo> and it's important you're all aware of it and have the chance to input into it."
>
> and then work frantically on it before a slot on Tuesday or Friday, and get help from people. 😊
>
> And I'm happy to stand on stage and I agree with Julia's comments on this also.
>
> Brian
>
> Brian Nisbet
> Service Operations Manager
> HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network
> 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin D01 X8N7, Ireland
> +35316609040 brian.nisbet at heanet.ie www.heanet.ie
> Registered in Ireland, No. 275301. CRA No. 20036270
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Amanda Gowland <agowland at ripe.net>
>> Sent: Friday 17 May 2019 10:24
>> To: Brian Nisbet <brian.nisbet at heanet.ie>; diversity at ripe.net
>> Subject: Re: [diversity] LT @ RIPE78
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm making HPH's slides for the opening plenary, and we always have a slide
>> with the CoC...I could also add a slide in here that mentions the draft CoC 2.0
>> and then point to the LT where we will go into it further?
>>
>> I am also leaving on the 7.40 Friday am flight (thanks, WOW Air :-/ ).
>>
>> Brian, I think if you are joined on the stage by someone who isn't a cis white
>> dude, then we will be alright there - but should be a non-dude of course.
>> Since Sasha won't be at the meeting, I'd be happy to jump up there with you.
>>
>> On 17/05/2019 11:10, Brian Nisbet wrote:
>>> Folks,
>>>
>>> So, assuming HPH comes back with useful wisdom, do we want to
>> announce the draft to the community next week?
>>>
>>> If so, we can do this either as an LT or by asking for some time in the final
>> session, both are possibilities right now. Sadly I don't think the Friday session
>> will be as well populated as we'd like, given the flights home from Iceland (a
>> lot of people have already told the PC they won't be there), but the
>> alternative is Tuesday, when we may not be ready.
>>>
>>> I'm happy to work on this with people, of course. I continue to
>>> maintain that a cis white man is not the right person to stand solo on
>>> a stage to present these things. 😊
>>>
>>> What do we all think? We don't *have* to do this, of course, if we
>>> don't feel we're ready
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>> Brian Nisbet
>>> Service Operations Manager
>>> HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network 1st
>>> Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin D01 X8N7, Ireland
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>>> Registered in Ireland, No. 275301. CRA No. 20036270
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