[db-wg] Re: abuse-c: proposal

Comments in context below ...

On 6 Feb 2004, at 14:31, Randy Bush wrote:

>> Attribute name
>> 	Name should be distinctive, eg: 'abuse-mailbox'; not 'e-mail'
>
> since it should be a handle, which allows me to even get to
> a <gasp!> phone number, calling it mail-anything seems a
> mis-direction.  since all the rest are of the form <foo>-c:,
> do we have to invent something new?

Yes, we do.

A number of ppl (MarcoH, dfk), in different ways, and for divers
reasons, have made it clear that we need a new attribute to carry
as its value (yes, I do mean RHS) the e-mail address where abuse
notifications should be sent.  Marco explained this particularly
well; The following example is an attempt to illustrate his point.

Running

	whois -h whois.ripe.net 137.43.0.0 | \
		perl -ne 'next unless /@/; ($addr) = grep /@/, split; print "$addr\n"'

gives a bunch of addresses, which will probably ALL be used by your
generic cheap-n-cheerful, save-the-world-from-SPAM robot.

[ Hmm.. look at those victims! Must try to spread the load even wider! 
8-) ]

We aim to make it easy for everyone; the following should be nearly 
enough.

	whois -h whois.ripe.net 137.43.0.0 | \
		awk '/^abuse-mailbox:/ {print $2}'

>
>> Handle
>> 	Handle is upwardly scalable
>> 	Handle could refer to person, role, or maintainer
>
> yep
>
>> Value
>> 	Value is necessary; if not in primary object, then indirectly
>> 	Value in primary object is attractive at low end of scale
>> 	Value is vulnerable to RHS-hijacking, even if not in primary object!
>
> do not understand.  do you mean the value (right hand side)
> of the abuse-c: attribute?  or are we sending cash? :-)

[ I'll happily receive cash. 8-) ]

I mean the RHS of the abuse-mailbox: attribute.  This attribute MAY
be specified in the primary (inet*num or such) object, but for 
scalability
belongs in the object whose handle is on the RHS of a *-c: or mnt-by:
attribute.  [ Hmm.. *-c, *-by, *-fly 8-) ]

As dfk has pointed out, we can get by without abuse-c: if we focus on
taking advantage of _existing_ person/role/mntner objects linked by
*-c: or mnt-by: and just use abuse-mailbox:.

<p loaded-with="irony" remark="In case it's not obvious">
This is the speedy-deployment option, so I'm sure we won't want to use 
it!
</p>

IHTH
TGIF
/NO8