Antwort: Re: Deletion of .de domain objects

On 29.06.00 18:04 "Sascha E. Pollok" <sp at iphh.de> wrote:
> 
> >I just got response from the denic regarding my questions about future
> >updates to handles. As it seems the change of Handles will now only be
> >possible for members of the Denic eG, so many smaller providers who 
aren't
> >members, but are buying their domains from another one will have to 
redirect
> >all changes to this member. I treat this as a very brain-damaged 
system.
> >
> >In the meanwhile we have Handles with the same key XYZ-RIPE, with 
different
> >contents in RIPE-db and DeNIC-db (not only the missing remarks, but 
also
> >phone and fax, and if someone makes changes to one of the two handles 
the
> >other will keep the old data).
> 
> F*ck. Then we'll have \S+-RIPE Handles in the DENIC-DB that are
> inconsistenc against the Handles in the RIPE-DB. Who has planned this?
> 
> When can't DENIC at least reference RIPE-Handles instead of their
> own ones?

We mirror the RIPE objects and there will be current no difference between 
RIPE and DENIC stored information. There is indeed a difference between 
RIPE and DENIC published information. And that is because of German data 
protection laws. We migrate to a sheme where personal data has to be 
stored whithin DENIC and after a while of migration we will stopp to 
acceppt RIPE Handles and at that point unreferrenced objects whithin RIPE 
can be deleted and updates have to be made in both databases.

BtW: Every German ISP works also under this law and after my discussions 
with these office there is also a lot for them to do concerning 
information to their customers when the store privat data in public 
directories. DENIC is currently trying to get a understanding what 
procedures and documents a necessary for our ISP customers and will inform 
them. But concerning the parts where we are formally responsible we have 
taken after legal consultations the consequences.

> 
> >Why has this mess had to happen?
> 
> And why do I have the feeling I got not really informed by DENIC
> prior this happening about the changes?

There was more than one year discussion about this issue. It was discussed 
at many meetings. Before these migration we gave three time notice to our 
members. I feel really that we have done a lot to keep people informed.

Sabine

> 
> Sascha
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