[connect-wg] New on RIPE Labs: You’ve Got the Power: Sustainable Procurement and the RIPE Community

Dear Mirjam and Michael,

You would probably find some useful bits in a recent study of mine on 
behalf of the European Parliament.

J. Scott Marcus (2020), “Promoting product longevity: How can the EU 
product safety and compliance framework help promote product durability 
and tackle planned obsolescence, foster the production of more 
sustainable products, and achieve more transparent supply chains for 
consumers?”, study for the IMCO Committee of the European Parliament.
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/STUD/2020/648767/IPOL_STU(2020)648767_EN.pdf

Cheers,
Scott

On 31/08/2020 18:34, Michael J. Oghia wrote:
> Dear Michael,
>
> Thank you very much for your kind words and for this 
> absolutely critical insight. You're right that the relatively short 
> lifecycle of many devices is indeed a primary driver of the issue.
>
> These are such great examples as well. If it's not too much trouble 
> for you, would you be able to add this as a comment on the post itself 
> so that we can keep such good comments as yours centralised in one place?
>
> I don't have much to add to your comments other than fully agreeing 
> with you and wondering if the RIPE community can work together to 
> lobby for changes – assuming that's something we're both able and 
> willing to do.
>
> Best,
> -Michael
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> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 10:21 PM Michael Richardson <mcr at sandelman.ca 
> <mailto:mcr at sandelman.ca>> wrote:
>
>
>     Thank you for this.
>     I think that one of the key things to reducing e-waste is to keep
>     devices in
>     productive use longer.  The smartphone cycle is largely being
>     driven by
>     planned obsolescence through lack of software updates.  While few
>     of us here
>     are in the smartphone business, we see the same thing with CPE
>     devices.
>
>     No software updates means poor security, which pushes for
>     replacement of the
>     devices.
>     More capable devices can sustain more updates, but cost more up-front,
>     and there still very little relationship between price paid and
>     number of
>     years of supported software updates.  At least, I believe this
>     anecdotally.
>     It would be nice if we had survey data to prove or disprove this
>     belief.
>     Perhaps RIPE along with some of the entities you mentioned might
>     be able to
>     do a confidential survey of ISPs in order to summarize the results?
>
>     EN 303 645 and upcoming UK legislation requires that the support
>     time for
>     devices to be made clear at point of purchase.  See
>     https://www.iotsecurityfoundation.org/keep-software-updated/ for many
>     references. (Yes, I'm the presenter for the webinar, the first of
>     which was
>     this morning)
>
>     While the nic.cz <http://nic.cz> Turris system is well supported,
>     and very capable, I'm not
>     any influence on big ISP purchasing.
>     What kind of software support lifespans are ISPs able to contract?
>     While many RIPE clueful people know about, deploy and contribute
>     to openwrt,
>     it does not seem to show up in a supported way in devices that I
>     see either
>     big or small ISPs deploying.  The big ones don't seem to care. 
>     The small
>     ones can't afford to take a risk.
>
>     Years ago, it was the common that an ISP would buy some 12-port
>     switching
>     device for it's core, and two years later (when it was too slow),
>     would
>     migrate it from the core to an access aggregator, and then two
>     years later,
>     it might find a few more years service as internal lab equipment,
>     or being
>     used for a multi-tenant CPE.   I learnt this as a switch (chip)
>     designer.
>     Is this still a thing?
>
>     In my more recent (2014-era) hands-on ISP experience, this was no
>     longer a
>     thing, because the devices had all become far too specialized. 
>     Maybe SDN is
>     changing this?  Are there best practices in making purchase
>     decisions that
>     support this migration of equipment?
>     {I'm reminded of: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQjHJKNyoUE }
>
>     Michael J. Oghia <mike.oghia at gmail.com
>     <mailto:mike.oghia at gmail.com>> wrote:
>         > I'm happy to share an article that Mirjam and I just
>     published on RIPE Labs
>         > about sustainable procurement practices:
>
>         >
>     https://labs.ripe.net/Members/michael_oghia/you-ve-got-the-power-sustainable-procurement-and-the-ripe-community
>
>         > I wanted to post it here because I think it's relevant to
>     this group as
>         > operators, managers, and others. I'm keen to hear your
>     thoughts, and
>         > encourage you to leave comments on the article so we know
>     how to best take
>         > this forward (and also gauge interest).
>
>         > Have a good weekend,,
>         > -Michael
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>         > ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>         > From: Mirjam Kuehne <mir at ripe.net <mailto:mir at ripe.net>>
>         > Date: Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 2:15 PM
>
>         > Dear colleagues,
>
>         > Buying equipment can have an impact on environmental
>     sustainability.
>         > Michael Oghia writes about issues surrounding sustainable
>     procurement
>         > and how the RIPE community has the potential to make a
>     difference:
>
>         >
>     https://labs.ripe.net/Members/michael_oghia/you-ve-got-the-power-sustainable-procurement-and-the-ripe-community
>
>         > Kind regards,
>         > Mirjam Kühne
>         > RIPE NCC
>
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