[connect-wg] New on RIPE Labs: You’ve Got the Power: Sustainable Procurement and the RIPE Community

Dear Michael,

Thank you very much for your kind words and for this absolutely critical
insight. You're right that the relatively short lifecycle of many devices
is indeed a primary driver of the issue.

These are such great examples as well. If it's not too much trouble for
you, would you be able to add this as a comment on the post itself so that
we can keep such good comments as yours centralised in one place?

I don't have much to add to your comments other than fully agreeing with
you and wondering if the RIPE community can work together to lobby for
changes – assuming that's something we're both able and willing to do.

Best,
-Michael
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On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 10:21 PM Michael Richardson <mcr at sandelman.ca>
wrote:

>
> Thank you for this.
> I think that one of the key things to reducing e-waste is to keep devices
> in
> productive use longer.  The smartphone cycle is largely being driven by
> planned obsolescence through lack of software updates.  While few of us
> here
> are in the smartphone business, we see the same thing with CPE devices.
>
> No software updates means poor security, which pushes for replacement of
> the
> devices.
> More capable devices can sustain more updates, but cost more up-front,
> and there still very little relationship between price paid and number of
> years of supported software updates.  At least, I believe this anecdotally.
> It would be nice if we had survey data to prove or disprove this belief.
> Perhaps RIPE along with some of the entities you mentioned might be able to
> do a confidential survey of ISPs in order to summarize the results?
>
> EN 303 645 and upcoming UK legislation requires that the support time for
> devices to be made clear at point of purchase.  See
> https://www.iotsecurityfoundation.org/keep-software-updated/ for many
> references. (Yes, I'm the presenter for the webinar, the first of which was
> this morning)
>
> While the nic.cz Turris system is well supported, and very capable, I'm
> not
> any influence on big ISP purchasing.
> What kind of software support lifespans are ISPs able to contract?
> While many RIPE clueful people know about, deploy and contribute to
> openwrt,
> it does not seem to show up in a supported way in devices that I see either
> big or small ISPs deploying.  The big ones don't seem to care.  The small
> ones can't afford to take a risk.
>
> Years ago, it was the common that an ISP would buy some 12-port switching
> device for it's core, and two years later (when it was too slow), would
> migrate it from the core to an access aggregator, and then two years later,
> it might find a few more years service as internal lab equipment, or being
> used for a multi-tenant CPE.   I learnt this as a switch (chip) designer.
> Is this still a thing?
>
> In my more recent (2014-era) hands-on ISP experience, this was no longer a
> thing, because the devices had all become far too specialized.  Maybe SDN
> is
> changing this?  Are there best practices in making purchase decisions that
> support this migration of equipment?
> {I'm reminded of: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQjHJKNyoUE }
>
> Michael J. Oghia <mike.oghia at gmail.com> wrote:
>     > I'm happy to share an article that Mirjam and I just published on
> RIPE Labs
>     > about sustainable procurement practices:
>
>     >
> https://labs.ripe.net/Members/michael_oghia/you-ve-got-the-power-sustainable-procurement-and-the-ripe-community
>
>     > I wanted to post it here because I think it's relevant to this group
> as
>     > operators, managers, and others. I'm keen to hear your thoughts, and
>     > encourage you to leave comments on the article so we know how to
> best take
>     > this forward (and also gauge interest).
>
>     > Have a good weekend,,
>     > -Michael
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>     > ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>     > From: Mirjam Kuehne <mir at ripe.net>
>     > Date: Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 2:15 PM
>
>     > Dear colleagues,
>
>     > Buying equipment can have an impact on environmental sustainability.
>     > Michael Oghia writes about issues surrounding sustainable procurement
>     > and how the RIPE community has the potential to make a difference:
>
>     >
> https://labs.ripe.net/Members/michael_oghia/you-ve-got-the-power-sustainable-procurement-and-the-ripe-community
>
>     > Kind regards,
>     > Mirjam Kühne
>     > RIPE NCC
>
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