Re: [anti-spam-wg@localhost] Contacts

["Dr. Jeffrey Race" <]

On 29 Jan 2003 12:44:29 +0000, Nick Hilliard wrote:
>Mandating your suggestion would surely create a 100% correct database. 
>But it would piss off all RIPE members to the extent that the
>co-operative nature upon which RIPE is based would be irrevocably
>destroyed.

Why would anyone be annoyed by being asked to behave responsibly?
No one objects to having to provide correct contact data for a
driver's license, or for income tax forms.   Bad things happen to
you if you don't; it is necessary to keep society functioning.

Your assumption was completely correct at the dawn of the Internet
when collegiality, small numbers, and motivation by peer approval
reigned.   These are all "gone with the wind".   The Internet is
now dominated by financial greed and so its participants, especially
its miscreants, have to be dealt with in the way society handles
this viz sanctions.   These sanctions won't bite on the well-behaved,
so what is the specific problem you foresee?   In practice if
registrants don't keep their data current, they will be politely
reminded.   It happens manually, and randomly, now.  For example,
see the thread extracted below my signature.    There was no
complaint about being politely requested to update the data; it
was just done.  Is there some inclarity in my proposal (at
<http://www.camblab.com/misc/univ_std.txt>) which causes you to
foresee doom?  How could I improve it?   The purpose of this proposal
is simply to routinize the manual process.

 And like it or lump it, RIPE depends completely on
>co-operation.
>
>Worse is better.

Well it may be better for you, and it may be better for the RIR staffs
waiting around to collect their pensions, but it is not better for us
spam victims.    Please try to think of it that way.

If you have a solution that works (mine will!) then let us hear it.


Jeffrey Race

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 12:12:04 +1000
Subject: Re: [APNIC #270194] Phony contact data for 211.144.65.106
From: "luoyan@localhost via RT" hostmaster@localhost
Reply-To: hostmaster@localhost
ITo: jrace@localhost
Cc:
Hi Guangliang,

It has been modified.

Regards,

__________________________________________
罗彦（Luo Yan）    luoyan@localhost
China Internet Network Information Center
Tel: +86-10-62619750-3028
Fax: +86-10-62651707
http://www.cnnic.net.cn
__________________________________________


======= 2003-01-29 10:27:00 您在来信中写道：=======

>Dear Jeffrey,
>
>Thank you for alerting us to invalid contact details registered in the
>APNIC Whois Database. We will contact the network and ask them to update
>their database records as soon as possible.
>
>In the meantime, please use the following contacts:
>
>    ipas@localhost
>
>I hope this information is of assistance.
>
>Regards,
>____________________________________________________________________
>Guangliang Pan, Internet Resource Analyst        gpan@localhost
>Asia Pacific Network Information Centre       phone: +61 7 3858 3100
>http://www.apnic.net                          fax:   +61 7 3858 3199
>Helpdesk                                      phone: +61 7 3858 3188
>                                              email: helpdesk@localhost
>
> Please send Internet Resource Requests to hostmaster@localhost
>_____________________________________________________________________
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>------
>
>
>[jrace@localhost - Mon Jan 27 17:36:01 2003]:
>
>> ==================BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE==================
>> >Received: from mail.asianet.co.th (mail3.asianet.co.th
>[203.144.222.231])
>> >          by prserv.net (in1) with ESMTP
>> >          id <20030126233213101091dk3re>; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 23:32:14 
>+0000
>> >Message-ID: <20030126233246.23560.qmail@localhost
>> >Date: 27 Jan 2003 06:32:46 +0700
>> >From: MAILER-DAEMON@localhost
>> >To: jrace@localhost
>> >Subject: failure notice
>> >>>
>> Hi. This is the qmail-send program at asianet.co.th.
>> I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following
>> addresses.
>> This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.
>>
>> fyma@localhost:
>> Sorry, I couldn't find any host named shnet.edu.cn. (#5.1.2)