Re: How do you get off ORBS nowadays?

[furio ercolessi <]

On Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 11:35:07AM +0200, Gunnar Lindberg wrote:
> Well, hm, I think you miss the point. We can easily "disconnect" ORBS
> (i.e. *we* can stop sending queries to them and effectively ignore
> what the old site is up to) B U T we can not prevent *others* from
> still querying them and thus block *our* mail to these "others".

Sure.  Sorry, "disconnect ORBS" was not referred to you but to
your correspondent.
Keep in mind that your correspondent is now rejecting mail from
*any* site, not just yours, when it happens that the ORBS
DNS query is answered by some secondary server for the orbs.org
(and not relays.orbs.org) zone.
So at a certain point he will hopefully figure out.

> This is exactly what can be expected when there is some centralized
> mail-blocking/anti-spam service - it is closed down but the info it
> had still persist and now noone can remove that faulty info. We will
> be happy to close any open relay we happen to have, but we need to
> know why it's considered open.
> 
> And, sigh,
>     http://www.e-scrub.com/orbs/
> provides more text but still no help on what's considered wrong at
> out site.

Nothing is wrong at your site.  The guy running e-scrub.com was giving 
secondary service to orbs.org, NOT to relays.orbs.org. That was
not resource-intensive, as relays.orbs.org was delegated
to other servers. 
After ORBS was closed, the delegations for relays.orbs.org were 
removed in the orbs.org zone, but the list of secondary servers for 
orbs.org in the org TLD servers remained unchanged.
So suddenly the secondaries of orbs.org were flooded by DNS
packets from all over the world, relative to queries within
relays.orbs.org.  
The guy running the secondary at e-scrub.org suddenly found himself
with the bandwidth saturated, he tried in vain to contact
Alan Brown to modify the orbs.org servers, so he is now
adopting desperate measures to recover his bandwidth.

> My 0.1 ECU suggestion is that someone should clear the entire
> relays.orbs.org zone, rather than having it active and faulty.
> If this "someone" reads, please act, if anyone else knows who to
> forward to, please do so. Many thanks in advance.

That someone would be the person in control of orbs.org, Alan Brown.
His current address is at the end of http://e-scrub.com/orbs/ .
Apparently it is difficult to reach him now.

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