[anti-abuse-wg] Abuse Report ignored. What to do as next?

Gert

That’s a massive over simplification of what happened.

The NCC proposed a number of charging schemes which *included* charges per ASN. The proposal was rejected by the majority of the members who voted because the changes would have cost a lot of us significantly more than what we currently pay. The charge per ASN was only one of multiple elements in the proposal – to characterise it that the members rejected charging per ASN is very misleading.

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Michele


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From: anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg-bounces at ripe.net> on behalf of Gert Doering <gert at space.net>
Date: Thursday, 2 November 2023 at 09:30
To: Shane Kerr <shane at time-travellers.org>
Cc: anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net <anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net>
Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Abuse Report ignored. What to do as next?
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Hi,

On Thu, Nov 02, 2023 at 09:21:01AM +0100, Shane Kerr wrote:
> (*) I guess? I admit to never having read the details of how charging is
> set, since I have never represented a RIPE NCC member.

members vote at the RIPE AGM, to select one out of a number of possible
charging schemes proposed by the board (or just "this is the new one,
accept it or not?").  Since this is about money, it's real voting - and
of course the members are free to ignore whatever arguments the community
brings forward.

Note that there *was* a fee for ASNs, which led to massive complaints by
some people at an ENOG meeting, and then the NCC management promised
"to do away with it" - so the next charging scheme proposed did not include
the ASN fee anymore (and the members had the choice of "approve" or "keep
the old one, which might not give us enough moneyz to fund all the toys,
so drama").

Politics and smoke filled rooms at its best.

Gert Doering
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