<html xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=Windows-1252"> <meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"> <style></style> </head> <body lang="EN-IE" link="#467886" vlink="#96607D" style="word-wrap:break-word"> <div class="WordSection1"> Gert<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> That’s a massive over simplification of what happened.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> The NCC proposed a number of charging schemes which *included* charges per ASN. The proposal was rejected by the majority of the members who voted because the changes would have cost a lot of us significantly more than what we currently pay. The charge per ASN was only one of multiple elements in the proposal – to characterise it that the members rejected charging per ASN is very misleading. <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Regards<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Michele<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <o:p> </o:p> --<o:p></o:p> Mr Michele Neylon<o:p></o:p> Blacknight Solutions<o:p></o:p> Hosting, Colocation & Domains<o:p></o:p> <a href="https://www.blacknight.com/">https://www.blacknight.com/</a><o:p></o:p> <a href="https://blacknight.blog/">https://blacknight.blog/</a><o:p></o:p> Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072<o:p></o:p> Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090<o:p></o:p> Personal blog: <a href="https://michele.blog/">https://michele.blog/</a><o:p></o:p> Some thoughts: <a href="https://ceo.hosting/">https://ceo.hosting/</a><o:p></o:p> -------------------------------<o:p></o:p> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> I have sent this email at a time that is convenient for me. I do not expect you to respond to it outside of your usual working hours.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <div id="mail-editor-reference-message-container"> <div> <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"> From: anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of Gert Doering <gert@space.net> Date: Thursday, 2 November 2023 at 09:30 To: Shane Kerr <shane@time-travellers.org> Cc: anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Abuse Report ignored. What to do as next?<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Please use caution when opening attachments from unrecognised sources. Hi, On Thu, Nov 02, 2023 at 09:21:01AM +0100, Shane Kerr wrote: > (*) I guess? I admit to never having read the details of how charging is > set, since I have never represented a RIPE NCC member. members vote at the RIPE AGM, to select one out of a number of possible charging schemes proposed by the board (or just "this is the new one, accept it or not?"). Since this is about money, it's real voting - and of course the members are free to ignore whatever arguments the community brings forward. Note that there *was* a fee for ASNs, which led to massive complaints by some people at an ENOG meeting, and then the NCC management promised "to do away with it" - so the next charging scheme proposed did not include the ASN fee anymore (and the members had the choice of "approve" or "keep the old one, which might not give us enough moneyz to fund all the toys, so drama"). Politics and smoke filled rooms at its best. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Michael Emmer Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279<o:p></o:p> </div> </div> </div> </div> </body> </html>