[anti-abuse-wg] About whitelisting (was: UCEPROTECT DNSBL possibly abusive practice and RIPEStat Blacklist entries widget)

I personally feel like it's impossible to have a neutral list if you charge
for delisting.

Regardless of what might be the best solution, I feel like there is no way*
to do this that isn't subject to abuse.

Like if your business model is getting fees for delist requests, it's going
to be close to impossible to keep it neutral.

* Within reason, like you come up with ideas as proof of donation to a
charity if you want to have a filter against people spamming. But that will
always have some issues too.

-Cynthia


On Fri, Mar 5, 2021, 11:59 Esa Laitinen <esa at laitinen.org> wrote:

> Hi!
>
> Let me start saying that it seems to me that UCEPROTECT doesn't follow
> their own stated policies. If it is so, it is a bad list. But I'd like
> to discuss a principle here which I think I'd like to know opinions of.
>
> On 05.03.21 11:38, Cynthia Revström via anti-abuse-wg wrote:
> > As others have pointed out, even purely on a technical level, they are
> > not any kind of trustworthy source as paying to be delisted creates a
> > very bad incentive for them.
>
> We have a situation where your IP address has landed in a DNSBL as
> collateral damage. You're hosted in the same subnet with a spammer, for
> example, so it is an escalation listing.
>
> Which one is preferable?
>
> 1. no chance of whitelisting your IP (as is the case with SORBS, and I
> think many other DNSBL operators), so you either need to move out, or
> convince the hosting provider to fix the issue
>
> 2. you can get a whitelisting done (possibly for a (relatively small) fee).
>
> Personally I'd prefer to have an option of 2. Having a small fee would
> motivate me to talk with the hosting provider first, to get their act
> together.
>
>
> Let's forget how UCEPROTECT is messing up, let's discuss this as a
> principle.
>
>
> Yours,
>
>
> esa
>
>
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