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[anti-abuse-wg] Question about spam to abuse inbox
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JJS JJS
no0484985 at gmail.com
Mon Feb 22 09:52:04 CET 2021
The question I ask is... do these ISP's have such difficulty communicating with their customer, or suspending their customer's service if the customer were to fail to pay their fees? I ask the same question of RIPE. If these entities which RIPE "has no control over" fail to pay their fees, does this "inability to control" still continue? *" That excuse might almost be a reasonable justification for bad behaviorand even worse operating policies if it hadn't already been in continuoususe for the past 20+ years."* On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 6:53 PM Ronald F. Guilmette <rfg at tristatelogic.com> wrote: > In message <m28s7hkyr8.wl-randy at psg.com>, > Randy Bush <randy at psg.com> wrote: > > >we are in a 'maturing' industry... > > That excuse might almost be a reasonable justification for bad behavior > and even worse operating policies if it hadn't already been in continuous > use for the past 20+ years. > > The spam problem has existed on the Internet since the late 1990s. May > we optimistically hold out some hope that this industry might be able > to get its shit together by, say, 2045? > > >so margins are low and people are overworked and underpaid. > > Maybe margins are low *structurally*, because just like in the spam trade, > everybody and his brother got enticed by the low barriers to entry in the > commercial hosting business, resulting in tens of thousands of "me too" > operators that, in point of fact, have no commercial advantage, and thus > no reason to even exist. And they are all now competing with tens of > thousands just like them, as well as trying, vainly, to compete with a > few othjer outfits you may have heard of, e.g. Amazon, Google, Microsoft. > > "Margins are low" is the same excuse that polluters used back in the day > for dumping toxic waste into rivers in the dead of night. Now it is being > trotted out as an excuse for an inability... or rather an unwillingness... > to do this simple things (like blocking outbound port 25) needed to stop > the effluent of spam from leaking out into and onto the global Internet. > > Profits may be in short supply in the commecial hosting business, but > fortunately there is never any shortage of lame excuses to justify the > status quo. > > > Regards, > rfg > > > P.S. I am at pains to stress that essentially 100% of *all* network abuse > of ALL KINDS these days originates from commercial hosting providers. > > I do not, in general, get spam, or break-in attempts, or port scans, or > any other such abuse from government networks, from academic networks, > from non-profit associations, or from legitimate businesses that have > their own netblocks and that are not fundamentally in the Internet > services business. Nor do I have to endure such crap from any of the > thousands of so-called "eyeball networks", e.g. Comcast, etc. Rather, > the sum total of essentially all network abuse these days is consistantly > emanating from commercial hosting providers, and specifically from the > ones that have elected to entice miscreants and criminals to their > services by having deliberately loose contractual policies or else > deliberately loose enforcement of their stated policies. > > It's a fairly moronic way to try to make a living, or to turn a profit, > but I guess that when you have nothing else to offer in the way of > competitive advantage... > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: </ripe/mail/archives/anti-abuse-wg/attachments/20210222/b769c32e/attachment.html>
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