[anti-abuse-wg] Fwd: Re: botnet controllers

Hello @Moderators

Can you please suspend this participant? I take offense at this. We may
disagree on issues and opinions. However I feel there is no space for
name calling.

Best regards
Serge




On 09.07.20 15:16, Elad Cohen wrote:
> Michele how more bigger asshole you can be to be the puppet of spamhaus
> so you will be able monetize your connections with them to more $$$
> 
> You are a loser and you are a disgraceful businessman and you are a
> disgrace to the whole internet community
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> *From:* anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg-bounces at ripe.net> on behalf of
> Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele at blacknight.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 9, 2020 4:02 PM
> *To:* Serge Droz <serge.droz at first.org>; anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net
> <anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Fwd: Re: botnet controllers
>  
> +1 on all points
> 
> That someone who won't even disclose who they are has the gall to demand
> that Spamhaus or anyone else should is hilarious and disturbing.
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Mr Michele Neylon
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> On 09/07/2020, 07:30, "anti-abuse-wg on behalf of Serge Droz via
> anti-abuse-wg" <anti-abuse-wg-bounces at ripe.net on behalf of
> anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net> wrote:
> 
>     Hi Info
> 
>     Maybe one of the reasons some Non-logging VPNs end up on blacklist sis
>     that the Non-Looging phrase is just an excuse to not go after misuse.
>     The rights to privacy and free speech do not mean anything goes.
> 
>     You can fight abuse without violating privacy. But of course that's not
>     for free, you need abuse people that investigate and they cost money.
>     Sadly, many of these VPNs frankly just don't care, using the lame excuse
>     that they are protecting fundamental rights, when in fact they are just
>     don't care or take responsibility.
> 
>     I don't agree with everything Spamhaus does, but I find them responsible
>     and and always found a way way to talk to them.
> 
>     I was reluctant writing this, because I'm not sure this discussion will
>     lead anywhere. It's one of these where opinions seem to already have
>     been formed.
> 
>     But you start accusing people of posting anonymously. I totally agree
>     this is bad, but then, who are you, info at fos-vpn.org?
> 
>     You don't seem to offer a name yourself. I find this a bit hypocritical.
> 
>     Best
>     Serge
> 
> 
>     On 08.07.20 20:46, info at fos-vpn.org wrote:
>     > All I would like from Spamhaus is to stop publishing fake SBL
> records in
>     > order to discredit us and to use that to put pressure both upon us and
>     > our upstreams.
>     > Non-logging VPN services are as legal within the EU as Exit Nodes
> of the
>     > Tor Network (which have massive abuse entries in various data bases,
>     > especially the larger ones) and public WiFi Hotspots, which can be
> used
>     > for abusive activities, too.
>     >
>     > I don't know who "PP" is (probably the same person which posts
> under the
>     > nickname "Petras Simeon" on Twitter and on various boards), but he
>     > contacted us and our upstream providers without telling his name, just
>     > using this email address: phishphucker at storey.ovh and sending us the
>     > list of SBL entries which he also posted here.
>     > Don't know if he's working for Spamhaus or not, but before attacking
>     > others publicly, people should reveal their true identity,
> anything else
>     > would be sneaky in my opinion.
>     >
> 
>     --
>     Dr. Serge Droz
>     Chair of the FIRST Board of Directors
>     https://www.first.org
> 
> 

-- 
Dr. Serge Droz
Chair of the FIRST Board of Directors
https://www.first.org