[anti-abuse-wg] Fwd: Re: botnet controllers

+1 on all points

That someone who won't even disclose who they are has the gall to demand that Spamhaus or anyone else should is hilarious and disturbing.



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On 09/07/2020, 07:30, "anti-abuse-wg on behalf of Serge Droz via anti-abuse-wg" <anti-abuse-wg-bounces at ripe.net on behalf of anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net> wrote:

    Hi Info

    Maybe one of the reasons some Non-logging VPNs end up on blacklist sis
    that the Non-Looging phrase is just an excuse to not go after misuse.
    The rights to privacy and free speech do not mean anything goes.

    You can fight abuse without violating privacy. But of course that's not
    for free, you need abuse people that investigate and they cost money.
    Sadly, many of these VPNs frankly just don't care, using the lame excuse
    that they are protecting fundamental rights, when in fact they are just
    don't care or take responsibility.

    I don't agree with everything Spamhaus does, but I find them responsible
    and and always found a way way to talk to them.

    I was reluctant writing this, because I'm not sure this discussion will
    lead anywhere. It's one of these where opinions seem to already have
    been formed.

    But you start accusing people of posting anonymously. I totally agree
    this is bad, but then, who are you, info at fos-vpn.org?

    You don't seem to offer a name yourself. I find this a bit hypocritical.

    Best
    Serge


    On 08.07.20 20:46, info at fos-vpn.org wrote:
    > All I would like from Spamhaus is to stop publishing fake SBL records in
    > order to discredit us and to use that to put pressure both upon us and
    > our upstreams.
    > Non-logging VPN services are as legal within the EU as Exit Nodes of the
    > Tor Network (which have massive abuse entries in various data bases,
    > especially the larger ones) and public WiFi Hotspots, which can be used
    > for abusive activities, too.
    > 
    > I don't know who "PP" is (probably the same person which posts under the
    > nickname "Petras Simeon" on Twitter and on various boards), but he
    > contacted us and our upstream providers without telling his name, just
    > using this email address: phishphucker at storey.ovh and sending us the
    > list of SBL entries which he also posted here.
    > Don't know if he's working for Spamhaus or not, but before attacking
    > others publicly, people should reveal their true identity, anything else
    > would be sneaky in my opinion.
    > 

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    Dr. Serge Droz
    Chair of the FIRST Board of Directors
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