[anti-abuse-wg] 2019-04 Discussion Phase (Validation of "abuse-mailbox")

Can NCC members decide to stop following ripe policies one day?

Regards,

Arash

On Fri, 1 May 2020, 00:02 No No, <no0484985 at gmail.com> wrote:

> *>> You're assuming that the RIPE NCC has a right to tell organisations
> what they can or cannot do with their addresses.*
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> It's not *their* addresses, it's RIPE's addresses, which they allocated.
> It's not *their* resources that are abused, it's the peer enabled
> relationship that carries their bull crap across networks.
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> If they want to set up a computer in a field surrounded by cows, and it
> sends spam to itself or DDoS itself, that's fine.
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> On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 11:57 PM Nick Hilliard <nick at foobar.org> wrote:
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>> Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote on 30/04/2020 13:42:
>> > RIPE NCC need not decide whether a behaviour is legal or not in order
>> to
>> > prohibit use of resources that it allocates for such behaviour.
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>> You're putting the car before the horse.  You're assuming that the RIPE
>> NCC has a right to tell organisations what they can or cannot do with
>> their addresses.  Why do you think they do? And under what
>> circumstances?  And if they did have this right, why would you think
>> that this right wouldn't come with the obligation to enforce this, and
>> to assume liability in the case where they couldn't enforce it?  Serge
>> is correct to state that rights always come with responsibilities -
>> they're different sides of the same coin.
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>> This is what concerns me about the proposals that have been put in front
>> of AAWG - there's very little acknowledgement on the part of the
>> proposers that there would be substantial downstream consequences if
>> they were adopted.
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>> Nick
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>> > Wearing a T-shirt, shorts and flip flops is perfectly legal and yet you
>> > can be refused entry into a fancy restaurant if you wear them.
>> >
>> > Nobody gets to sue the restaurant for refusing admission by claiming
>> > that tshirts and flip flops are perfectly legal attire, and even nudity
>> > is legal in some parts of Europe (German topless and nude beaches say).
>> >
>> > --srs
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