[anti-abuse-wg] 2019-03 New Policy Proposal (BGP Hijacking is a RIPE Policy Violation)

El 23/3/19 22:33, "anti-abuse-wg en nombre de Ronald F. Guilmette" <anti-abuse-wg-bounces at ripe.net en nombre de rfg at tristatelogic.com> escribió:

    
    In message <CALZ3u+bpTu+R63s_O_Fqr-Qz3DaFh1e9N+7dD1WbzSn028cDHA at mail.gmail.com>
    =?UTF-8?Q?T=C3=B6ma_Gavrichenkov?= <ximaera at gmail.com> wrote:
    
    >2. OTOH the ultimate result (membership cancellation) may be seen as a
    >very heavy punishment.
    
    Did you have some particular alternative in mind that you wanted to propose?
    Sending the miscreant hijacker to bed without supper perhaps?
    
    >- hire a script kiddie who will break into that company's Mikrotik;
    >- announce roughly half of IPv4 address space through that breach just
    >for it to be surely on the news;
    >- relax and enjoy watching your competition disappearing in no later
    >than 2,5 months.
    
    I do believe that the main idea here was *not* to have the nuclear missles
    on a hair-trigger *or* to launch them within a few minutes of the beginning
    of a hijacking event, but rather to *notify* the party responsible, and
    then, if and ONLY IF absolutely NO ACTION is taken to resolve the problem
    after some reasonable period of time, then, and only then, it would
    *begin* to be a real possibility that sanctions would be applied.
    
    Believe me, none of the sponsors or proponents of this proposal wants to
    see the nuclear missles launched mistakenly, for example, in response to
    a falling meteor or a volcanic eruption somewhere.  Any such premature
    over-reaction would quite obviously be Bad, and that passage of time
    usually serves to clarify intent.
    
I think is very obvious that the experts (and the board as the last instance) will make sure that when a warning is sufficient (specially first time even for a clear hijack if there are no *very clear* evidences that it is intentional), but if the same organization or the same people hiding behind another organization, is repeating once and against, then it is time to stop it.

We can have more explicit text about that, but I think we must trust the experts judgement, and that's why there is an appeal chance and a final ratification step.

As you said, and thanks for that, *IT IS OUR MORAL AND ETHICAL RESPONSIBILITY*.

    
    Regards,
    rfg
    
    



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