[anti-abuse-wg] 2019-03 New Policy Proposal (BGP Hijacking is a RIPE Policy Violation)

On Sat, Mar 23, 2019 at 21:54 Sascha Luck [ml] <aawg at c4inet.net> wrote:

>
> All,
>
> can I ask every participant in this discussion to PLEASE, PLEASE
> quote properly. It's becoming absolutely impossible to ascertain
> who wrote what and who made a statement and who answered it.
>
>
> To brass tacks:
>
> On Sat, Mar 23, 2019 at 01:44:21PM +0100, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via
> anti-abuse-wg wrote:
> >    Immediate membership suspension at the end if the experts decide it's
> >    necessary to do so now.
>
> This is not possible under the SSA/ripe-697. Section 1.2.1.1 of
> ripe-697 states clearly the grounds for termination of
> membership. "BGP hijacking" is not one of them. While it is
> presumably possible to add additional reasons, it will be,
> TTBOMK, only by membership vote.
>
> I did at the start decide to give this proposal the benefit of
> the doubt but I am now convinced that its intent is the
> subversion of the RIPE NCC in order to force it to abuse its
> dominant market position to remove from (internet) existence,
> members who exhibit behaviour that, while arguably legal,
> elements of this community don't like.
>
> Moreover, the proposal aims at doing this while largely
> excluding the RIPE NCC itself from the decision-making process,
> instead using some panel of "experts" to decide who should live
> and who should die. Whence the authority of these "experts"
> comes is not explained. The NCC Board  is then, or so I surmise,
> tasked with giving this decision an air of legitimacy by
> ratifying it. Why the (unpaid) Board would even accept such a
> questionable honour, I don't know, especially in light of the
> potential liabilities.
>
> Further, the danger exists that this community is not done yet.
> Once a mechanism to terminate unwelcome behaviour is established,
> it is relatively easy to plug in any other behaviour that this
> community, or elements thereof, would like to see removed from the
> internet.
>
> In conclusio, this proposal has the potential to irredeemably
> damage the relationship the NCC has with its members and I would
> even argue that it has the potential to threaten the very
> existence of the NCC if the powers that be decide that it is
> abusing its power as a monopoly provider.


Very well said, +1

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>
> For the avoidance of doubt, I remain in opposition,
>
> SL
>
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Kind regards.
Lu
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