[anti-abuse-wg] 2019-03 New Policy Proposal (BGP Hijacking is a RIPE Policy Violation)

Hi, please see inline,


On Wed, 20 Mar 2019, Sascha Luck [ml] wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 02:26:28PM -0700, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:
>
>> countinue to make, the exact same mistake that Mr.  Luck has made here,
>> i.e. failing to note the clear distinction between things that are
>> "political" and things that are abjectly and abundantly criminal,
>
> I don't think that word means what you think it does. "criminal"
> has a very precise legal meaning. If you think that advertisement
> of numbers is a criminal act, please provide jurisdiction, act
> and article under which it is.

Three words: "dutch", "court", "order" -- that's jurisdiction over RIPE 
NCC.


(...)
> You must have read a different verion of this proposal than what
> I have read. The proposal calls for a "finding" to be made and a
> report submitted. Any consequences are not even within the
> mandate of RIPE policy.

And ratified (you may have missed that bit!)

I also don't see any immediate or automatic consequence(s).

However, if the policy was indeed violated, then the door is open for 
subsequent action(s) -- which can take its due time as already 
established. This proposal doesn't even try to touch that, and i hope this 
is completely clear by now.



>> I would just like it noted, for the record, that RIPE is actually not a
>> "monopoly provider", and that the four other RIRs might reasonably take
>> umbrage at the very suggestion.
>
> And, like so often, you are wrong here too.

Allow me to disagree (again).


> Each RIR is a monopoly provider for its own service region. Some RIRs 
> even mandate that the resources they allocate and assign must not be
> used outside their service region.

Have you heard about legacy resources? Do you know they can be subject to 
transfers?

Additionally, please note you wrote "Some RIRs", not "All RIRs" :-)

Question: if that mandate is not comploed, is it enough for the NCC to 
terminate the SSA?


Regards,
Carlos


> rgds,
> Sascha Luck
>